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Canary Mail – Smart Email Client for Mac and iOS with PGP Support

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Re: Canary Mail – Smart Email Client for Mac and iOS with PGP Support

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post #5

At this point, I'm just happy there is a new email client that isn't storing anything on the third party servers. Good for Canary and I'll give it a try.

Email client economics are tough, you need some sort of service-like revenue associated with it or you sell your customers data in order to have a sustainable business. I hope canary has something non-evil figured out, the client looks nice.

...or you could just sell the software? That's how we used to do it in the Olden Days.

Re: Canary Mail – Smart Email Client for Mac and iOS with PGP Support

#12

That moment when I have to go to Product Hunt to see screenshots of your app because apparently they aren't important enough to put on your landing page. Why do so many app landing pages leave out screenshots?

They have screenshots. 30% of the landing page is that. But the screenshots they choose are the on-boarding/startup screens.

Choose any of the other sub-pages (from PRIVACY | AI | TRACKING | SANITIZER | SNOOZE | SEARCH) and you see other screenshots.

The on-boarding screenshots are a bad choice for the landing page.

Re: Canary Mail – Smart Email Client for Mac and iOS with PGP Support

#13

That moment when I have to go to Product Hunt to see screenshots of your app because apparently they aren't important enough to put on your landing page. Why do so many app landing pages leave out screenshots?

Because they need upvotes for their product on a community homepage that churns out tech spam and the occasional golden goose.

Product Hunt is beyond the tipping point of being an inside community where your product only succeeds if a dozen or so other "makers" (as they call it) can also advertise their churn in your thread.

Just last week that Spreadshare product was at the top of the page because their maker went out and spammed Slack channels soliciting upvotes under the false pretense of offering jobs to developers.

Re: Canary Mail – Smart Email Client for Mac and iOS with PGP Support

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Email client economics are tough, you need some sort of service-like revenue associated with it or you sell your customers data in order to have a sustainable business. I hope canary has something non-evil figured out, the client looks nice.

...or you could just sell the software? That's how we used to do it in the Olden Days.

That model only worked when people would buy your new software every year. Now a lot of software is good enough, and maybe your competition is even free, and the revenue dries up.

Re: Canary Mail – Smart Email Client for Mac and iOS with PGP Support

#16

This looks like a decent mail client and making PGP more accessible I think is an admirable goal but I wish designers would stop patting themselves on the back... "Simple. Secure. Stunning." is right up there with all these "show hn" that start with "beautiful". Let social proof speak for itself. Show a quote from a major publication calling you stunning. Don't call yourself stunning. I bet you it is more effective t…

I don't think the comparison works. Choosing the words Simple. Secure. Stunning may or may not accurately describe what the application may be, but it clearly describes the priorities of the designers of the application.

Not all applications consider looking Stunning an important goal. These 3 words tell me that the application designers consider security, ease of use, and good looks as their major priorities while designing the application.

A person self proclaiming that they are sexy and handsome is either lying (if they are not) or they are boasting about their genes, which is not something today's society considers boast worthy.

Re: Canary Mail – Smart Email Client for Mac and iOS with PGP Support

#17
When the first tab on your website is "Privacy", don't make "Read notifications" the default.

From the http request you're taking all kinds of metadata to your server. I don't want to add my PGP key in here to check, but I assume this is default for PGP messages too?

Re: Canary Mail – Smart Email Client for Mac and iOS with PGP Support

#19

That moment when I have to go to Product Hunt to see screenshots of your app because apparently they aren't important enough to put on your landing page. Why do so many app landing pages leave out screenshots?

They have screenshots. 30% of the landing page is that. But the screenshots they choose are the on-boarding/startup screens. Choose any of the other sub-pages (from PRIVACY | AI | TRACKING | SANITIZER | SNOOZE | SEARCH) and you see other screenshots. The on-boarding screenshots are a bad choice for the landing page.

I had to switch to another computer to see screenshots, I couldn't see them either from Chromium or iCab under iOS 10. Whatever fancy stuff they're trying to do on their site comes with a significant(ly irritating) browser compatibility cost. The iOS screens themselves are also pretty mediocre. I do not think stuffing them into that iPhone frame is at all helpful in making them informative, and they don't cover a lot of important basic questions I have. I guess I'm supposed to go to one of the linked other sites for more information but I consider that a significant fail in a product, IMHO their own web page should be the authoritative source that can answer most of my questions about core basics of specs and interface.

Re: Canary Mail – Smart Email Client for Mac and iOS with PGP Support

#20
post #5

At this point, I'm just happy there is a new email client that isn't storing anything on the third party servers. Good for Canary and I'll give it a try.

Does Spark store anything on 3rd party servers? I didn't think so.

Yes, they do. It's why I don't use them.

Source: https://sparkmailapp.com/privacy

> Accounts are added to Spark through OAuth where possible. Where OAuth is not supported we keep your account username and password on our secure servers. We then use the authorization provided to download your emails to our virtual servers and push to your device. We use Amazon Web Services (AWS) infrastructure to store your data. Apart from the AWS' security policies we take a number of measures to ensure that your data is never read by anyone else. We ensure that all transmission is secured with HTTPS so that no one else can access your data. Your account credentials are stored on secure cloud-based servers using asymmetric encryption.

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