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Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by scholia »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #19

I don't understand how google is so incompetent and just left facebook this field entirely to themselves. Why couldn't there be a Youtube Stills app for example?

Google had its own social network: Orkut. It was launched at the same time as Facebook and was initially much more popular. (Facebook membership was restricted to a few US universities.)

Google also produced a knock-off of Facebook -- Google Plus -- which is still going but ultimately failed.

In both cases, Google got the technology wrong. However, getting the technology right is still no guarantee of success. There's more to it than that....

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by svantana »

ubernostrum wrote: post #86
svantana wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is probably the best aspect of facebook, and what they should have stuck with IMO. The "let's be the place where people can see only news & opinions that they agree with" is more questionable.

OK. Find a way to make money on a social network to keep in touch with friends and family, without charging to use it. Then retire as a billionaire.

Yeah, as too often is the case, good-for-business and good-for-society are at odds here.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by teaneedz »

ams6110 wrote: post #99
victorvation wrote: post #44

> More precisely, it feels the way Facebook did from 2009 to 2012, when it silently crossed over from one of those tech things that some people sometimes did to one of those tech things that everyone you know does every day. Ubiquity is an interesting thought - there are very few apps that an average person uses on a daily basis that _aren't_ owned by Facebook. Four of the most used apps (Facebook, Messenger, Instagr…

Judging by my kids and their friends, teens and younger are not using Facebook apps, they are using Snapchat.

Yep. What were App Annie's numbers? 35% of SC's daily average users in the U.S. don't use or can't be found on Facebook on any given day. 46% can't be reached on IG and 58% on Messenger. Snapchat is killing in the moment engaged posts. However, Snapchat, like Facebook, is fundamentally an ad tech platform too. SC will probably get worse along the way. Discover is click bait news and Stories have sneaky ads that everyone just skips. Maybe if Signal integrated a Bitmoji-like and filter experience, it would potentially become the best social experience.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by CuriouslyC »

scholia wrote: post #119
CuriouslyC wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, it reflects what Facebook wants you to see. They might take your interests into account in order to maximize the potential for ad exposure, but you're definitely not in charge.

Facebook wants you to see whatever keeps you coming back to Facebook to see more of, ie what you want to see. That's exactly how it maximizes its ad potential. It might have a hypocrisy problem. People will typically claim to like certain things (high-status cultural artifacts) while mostly consuming other things (trash TV, fast food etc). However, it doesn't benefit from driving people away.

I don't think it is a hypocrisy problem, so much as an issue of conflicting desires. A junkie who is trying to quit heroin wants to get clean, but he also really wants a fix. Of course it is more profitable for the dealer to continue selling heroin.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by dhimes »

jpatokal wrote: post #93
adventured wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What happens when Facebook does similar and Mark Zuckerberg controls nearly every waking moment of most Americans? Who is the Apple to the United States v. Facebook monopoly? That's called jumping the shark. In this context, the point in time where people get so concerned about a powerful company, that a form of outlandish and irrational fear starts to set in. See: IBM 1970s, early 1980s; Microsoft late 1990s; Goog…

That's not called jumping the shark. Jumping the shark is when something formerly cool/great (originally, Fonzie in TV sitcom Happy Days ) does something so blatantly stupid (originally, jumping over a shark on water skis) that it becomes painfully obvious that they've lost all credibility. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark

A fun read by the writer of that Happy Days episode:

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/03/entertainment/la-et-...

I also heard an interview somewhere/sometime where he indicated the same thing: Although popular in our lexicon, the show actually did not go into a death spiral after that episode. It was hugely successful. Nevertheless, the term remains.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by teaneedz »

dualogy wrote: post #81
H4CK3RM4N wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to say that Duck Duck Go feels a lot more like early Google than Google does now(it feels more like querying a database than asking a machine a question). I could see them taking lots of the 'pro' search traffic, especially with their bangs and the way they still just use Stack Overflow answers/Wikipedia articles for their preferred results instead of attempting to remix them.

DDG is my default because the majority of my searches are specifically coding-related (as in, type the name of api and class and function or some such) and fact-based stuff (wiki, scientific articles whatever). But more often than not, for the more fuzzier queries I get the most useless results and have to manually go over to Google

Just append !sp to your search query within DDG and you'll get Googly results without having to send data to Google when the latter happens.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

lapsock wrote: post #112
harel wrote: post #84

Conversation (snippet) with my 20 year old cousin went like this: Me: are you on Facebook? Cousin: no, it's for old people. I'm on instagram.

right? It doesn't even make sense for him to say that. two completely different platforms. facebook is about people and instagram is about pictures.

Facebook is (generally speaking) for people in their mid 20s and up who have become adults. Instagram is for artsy people who share photos, but is primarily used by teens - early 20s.

But Facebook is a good enough platform, so why? Teens will always seek out places where they can be their usual obnoxious selves without the prying eyes of judgmental adults. Instagram isn't the destination for teens, it's just a waypoint until the Instagram users grow up, and then there'll be a new network that everyone will flock to.

In the end, Facebook will still win. Ignoring the fact that Facebook owns instagram, the Instagram users will get married and have kids, and they'll want to share those moments with their parents and grandparents on Facebook. It's still the most widely used AND most robust of the social networks.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by harel »

lapsock wrote: post #112
harel wrote: post #84

Conversation (snippet) with my 20 year old cousin went like this: Me: are you on Facebook? Cousin: no, it's for old people. I'm on instagram.

right? It doesn't even make sense for him to say that. two completely different platforms. facebook is about people and instagram is about pictures.

Doesn't matter. They are on snapchat as well. They just find it odd to be on the same "social" platform their mum and grandma is on.

- "Look how much beer I can chug in one go while half naked in the snow" -"That's nice love, are you coming for dinner? Love, Mum"

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by dualogy »

teaneedz wrote: post #126
dualogy wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DDG is my default because the majority of my searches are specifically coding-related (as in, type the name of api and class and function or some such) and fact-based stuff (wiki, scientific articles whatever). But more often than not, for the more fuzzier queries I get the most useless results and have to manually go over to Google

Just append !sp to your search query within DDG and you'll get Googly results without having to send data to Google when the latter happens.

Nice, better than whipping up a Private Browsing Incognito tab just to spite Alphabet Inc =)
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