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Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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What exactly is the end goal of these advertising platforms, exactly? Ads in my mind are zero sum, so I'm pretty clueless on this front. One thing I find interesting is the simultaneous popularity of these newfound distractions and task/project management software. Are we solving problems that were intentionally created and calling that progress?

Ads definitely create value. You can think of them as improved communication that connects people who are useful to each other.

Effective advertising isn't information, it's manipulation. Ads "work" by creating a sense of lack that didn't exist previously, or by co-opting your decision making process with gratuitous associations.

On top of that, advertising is effectively forced on people. Given that many people actively try to avoid advertising, it seems clear that this is a negative point.

If advertising was objective and unbiased, and it was only presented to people actively seeking information about products, it would be a net benefit to society. As it stands, I believe it is a net detriment.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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post #84

Conversation (snippet) with my 20 year old cousin went like this: Me: are you on Facebook? Cousin: no, it's for old people. I'm on instagram.

right? It doesn't even make sense for him to say that. two completely different platforms. facebook is about people and instagram is about pictures.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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post #99

> More precisely, it feels the way Facebook did from 2009 to 2012, when it silently crossed over from one of those tech things that some people sometimes did to one of those tech things that everyone you know does every day. Ubiquity is an interesting thought - there are very few apps that an average person uses on a daily basis that _aren't_ owned by Facebook. Four of the most used apps (Facebook, Messenger, Instagr…

Judging by my kids and their friends, teens and younger are not using Facebook apps, they are using Snapchat.

I hope you're not suggesting snapchat is some kind of healthy alternative ? ;)

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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post #99

> More precisely, it feels the way Facebook did from 2009 to 2012, when it silently crossed over from one of those tech things that some people sometimes did to one of those tech things that everyone you know does every day. Ubiquity is an interesting thought - there are very few apps that an average person uses on a daily basis that _aren't_ owned by Facebook. Four of the most used apps (Facebook, Messenger, Instagr…

Judging by my kids and their friends, teens and younger are not using Facebook apps, they are using Snapchat.

I know a ton of Users who are not on Facebook. Yeah Facebook had a ton of users, I'm not sure how many of them are real and how engaged Facebook keeps them.

So many ads you can slap in someone's face before they get put off.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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post #84

Conversation (snippet) with my 20 year old cousin went like this: Me: are you on Facebook? Cousin: no, it's for old people. I'm on instagram.

right? It doesn't even make sense for him to say that. two completely different platforms. facebook is about people and instagram is about pictures.

Pictures of people, for the most part

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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I wonder how many users are actually aware that Instagram is owned by Facebook and then think about what that knowledge would do to public opinion and uptake.

A portion of users enjoy using Instagram because they consider it a FB "alternative", and that they're privacy is at less risk by diversifying social media platforms.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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post #84

Conversation (snippet) with my 20 year old cousin went like this: Me: are you on Facebook? Cousin: no, it's for old people. I'm on instagram.

right? It doesn't even make sense for him to say that. two completely different platforms. facebook is about people and instagram is about pictures.

A young person doesn't want I be on a platform full of "old people". That seems normal to me. Irrespective of the platforms aims.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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> What happens when Facebook does similar and Mark Zuckerberg controls nearly every waking moment of most Americans? Who is the Apple to the United States v. Facebook monopoly? That's called jumping the shark. In this context, the point in time where people get so concerned about a powerful company, that a form of outlandish and irrational fear starts to set in. See: IBM 1970s, early 1980s; Microsoft late 1990s; Goog…

That's not called jumping the shark. Jumping the shark is when something formerly cool/great (originally, Fonzie in TV sitcom Happy Days ) does something so blatantly stupid (originally, jumping over a shark on water skis) that it becomes painfully obvious that they've lost all credibility. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark

Correct. OP probably meant jumping to conclusions (perhaps on a welcome mat)

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Email and text messages? Are you too good for faxes and telegrams? Email and text messages both suffer from the problem that they are controlled by the sender. Facebook flips this. The wall reflects what I want to see.

Actually, it reflects what Facebook wants you to see. They might take your interests into account in order to maximize the potential for ad exposure, but you're definitely not in charge.

Facebook wants you to see whatever keeps you coming back to Facebook to see more of, ie what you want to see. That's exactly how it maximizes its ad potential.

It might have a hypocrisy problem. People will typically claim to like certain things (high-status cultural artifacts) while mostly consuming other things (trash TV, fast food etc). However, it doesn't benefit from driving people away.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not called jumping the shark. Jumping the shark is when something formerly cool/great (originally, Fonzie in TV sitcom Happy Days ) does something so blatantly stupid (originally, jumping over a shark on water skis) that it becomes painfully obvious that they've lost all credibility. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark

Correct. OP probably meant jumping to conclusions (perhaps on a welcome mat)

Nice Office Space reference! :-D
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