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Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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There are things out there, great things, just struggling to be the next whatever. There should be a way to look past the eclipse of Google, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Snapchat.

I have to say that Duck Duck Go feels a lot more like early Google than Google does now(it feels more like querying a database than asking a machine a question). I could see them taking lots of the 'pro' search traffic, especially with their bangs and the way they still just use Stack Overflow answers/Wikipedia articles for their preferred results instead of attempting to remix them.

DDG is my default because the majority of my searches are specifically coding-related (as in, type the name of api and class and function or some such) and fact-based stuff (wiki, scientific articles whatever). But more often than not, for the more fuzzier queries I get the most useless results and have to manually go over to Google

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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post #17

Google has never had to buy a competitor as its revenue, scientific and technology value is orders of magnitude greater than facebook et al. I'm looking for the next Google not the next facebook/myspace/snapchat/instagram.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitio... Web search engines: - Outride (2001) - Kaltix (2003) - Akwan Information Technologies (2005) - Orion (2006) - Aardvark (2010) - PlinkArt (2010) - Metaweb (2010) - Like.com (2010) - Apture (2011) Granted, none of these were very high-profile, and Google hasn't acquired any other web search engines either, but to say "Google has never had to buy a competit…

Might as well add to that, that Google's entire core business model was intentionally and directly swiped from GoTo.com (which they of course settled over). $90 billion in search ad sales built on a business concept they had to go outside of their own company for. Further deflates the parent's premise.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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post #15

It's disappointing that tech journalists don't go a bit harder at the founders when writing pieces like these. Sure, it's interesting to find out about Instagram's internal processes and their projections, but Facebook is becoming increasingly regarded as being the main contributor to a new kind of social malaise. Therefore, if Instagram is aspiring to that level of adoption, how can questions like this not be put to…

> Anecdotally, I've never seen one interview with Zuckerberg where a journalist actually calls him out on his "we're just connecting people" poppycock.

I have no doubt that intentions can be good. But I find it very hard to believe that tech founders never consider both good and bad consequences of a more connected world. Fake news is one, but then there are others like the rapid decrease of our attention span, higher appetite for instant gratification, higher addiction to the net, lower self-esteem (or the opposite!) and so on. All of this has a profound effect on us as individuals and as a society.

I'm glad that we now can have a conversation like this without the risk of being labelled "Luddite". (And yes, HN was also like this a while back.)

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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It's disappointing that tech journalists don't go a bit harder at the founders when writing pieces like these. Sure, it's interesting to find out about Instagram's internal processes and their projections, but Facebook is becoming increasingly regarded as being the main contributor to a new kind of social malaise. Therefore, if Instagram is aspiring to that level of adoption, how can questions like this not be put to…

> Anecdotally, I've never seen one interview with Zuckerberg where a journalist actually calls him out on his "we're just connecting people" poppycock. I have no doubt that intentions can be good. But I find it very hard to believe that tech founders never consider both good and bad consequences of a more connected world. Fake news is one, but then there are others like the rapid decrease of our attention span, highe…

You'll need citations on those (there is a study for self-esteem, but IIRC it was on quite a small test group.)

Attention span (as in the idea we have one, not just Facebook's connection to it), at the very least, is a myth: https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/07/25/another-mo...

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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post #68

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> ask some hard questions about what social value they're actually creating What does this mean exactly? Facebook is providing tremendous value to me personally as a way of keeping in touch with family and friends but I guess you're asking from a higher perspective.

That is probably the best aspect of facebook, and what they should have stuck with IMO. The "let's be the place where people can see only news & opinions that they agree with" is more questionable.

OK. Find a way to make money on a social network to keep in touch with friends and family, without charging to use it. Then retire as a billionaire.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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...The conflict of interest is apparent even in the URL you linked, but in case that doesn't do it for you: > The social networking giant recently launched a new feature in which users could flag content as “spam” or “fake news” – a system that allows huge numbers of organized users to flag content simply because they disagree with it or it offends them They cite this, then go on to make the completely unsubstantiate…

You make it sound as if facebook didn't know exactly who the kinds of sites that would end up being flagged would turn out to be, and the only claim that I made was that, coincidentally, they also happen to be sites that criticize Facebook.

As far as I can tell there's equal opportunity for abuse; flagging systems have been used to shut down accounts of of people on all parts of the political spectrum, since there's always a large enough mob of people incensed at someone else's views and willing to click whatever button they've been told will silence that person.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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From both consumer and designer perspectives, Instagram is my favourite social media. It strikes a beautiful balance overall: quick to post; very low commitment if I choose to; a gold mine of info, inspiration and talent if you know where to look; and even the advert model is done very well - I find myself clicking on some, while others can be easily skipped with a scroll. And here's the intriguing bit: I don't find myself "tied" to Instagram like I've experienced with other social media, and neither did it cost my social life. This is how social media should be like!

Granted, I'm biased by the virtue of being more practiced in reigning in addiction :)

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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post #11

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Facebook has definitely not left it as the "same old Instagram". They've changed the home feed algorithm to basically the same as the Facebook home feed algorithm, and there's been a lot of content creators negatively impacted by it (I know this because of the industry my wife works in, which is having major issues now, where engagement has basically halved among anybody except the top maybe 5% of content creators).

So here's the thing: Facebook said they'd leave Instagram to be Instagram. But saying Facebook isn't holding that promise because things have changed isn't necessarily accurate. The people in charge of Instagram may have used more and more of Facebook's tools, looked at better analytics, tweaked, used lessons learned from Facebook, etc. While I agree it's unlikely that Facebook left them entirely alone I don't think…

Not to mention that Twitter is moving in the same direction

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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post #83

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> Anecdotally, I've never seen one interview with Zuckerberg where a journalist actually calls him out on his "we're just connecting people" poppycock. I have no doubt that intentions can be good. But I find it very hard to believe that tech founders never consider both good and bad consequences of a more connected world. Fake news is one, but then there are others like the rapid decrease of our attention span, highe…

You'll need citations on those (there is a study for self-esteem, but IIRC it was on quite a small test group.) Attention span (as in the idea we have one, not just Facebook's connection to it), at the very least, is a myth: https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/07/25/another-mo...

Technology is a special case; it's changing so rapidly that there isn't time to academically study its full-scale impact. But the impact of social media on self esteem, especially on vulnerable people, is well-studied.

https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=social+media+self+est...

Facebook isn't the only player of course.

Regarding attention span - sorry I defined it as the amount of quality attention spent on something - I draw my experiences as an educator.

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