Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook • Hacker News Board

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by arianvanp » Sat, May 06, 2017, 7:41 AM UTC

ArtDev wrote: post #37

olewhalehunter wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.infowars.com/proof-facebook-is-blocking-links-to...

The gold standard of fake news. As fake as it gets.

Perhaps. But using it in a discussion about fake news is good. I don't want to live in a world where info wars gets censored just because I despise the guy. I want to live in a world where Internet is used to its full potential where I can easily find sources to articles and weed out the fake news myself...

Perhaps the solution is technical. Tweak page rank to not only consider hyperlinks but also their credibility (by means of Web of trust). Buy it is probably also a social problem. We need to educate our children how to read an digest news. And how to think critically.

Censoring The Independent, breitbart and info wars isn't gonna help us. Just fuel the problem. Instead, we need to find a way to reward credibility. We need to fix journalism or it will die soon.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by thisacctforreal » Sat, May 06, 2017, 7:44 AM UTC

arjie wrote: post #49

asquabventured wrote: post #27

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I guess Email or text messages are no longer cool?

You're here on HN and not on some mailing list or phpBB forum. Clearly you derive value from this rather different medium. Well, Instagram users derive value from that other medium. Email and text message have a different feel and offer different features.

I agree with this post: features like realtime chats, comments, posts, etc are various ways of interacting people on different platforms. Facebook has done a good job at becoming a nearly ubiquitous hub for people to reach out and connect on, without having to feel shy. (of course we were perhaps less shy to ask for numbers when they were given out more often)

I totally disagree with the things parts of Facebook is doing, and I wish they gave half a damn about where they are driving us.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by henrikschroder » Sat, May 06, 2017, 7:54 AM UTC

olewhalehunter wrote: post #39

ArtDev wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The gold standard of fake news. As fake as it gets.

They are also one of the only big news organizations that regularly criticizes Facebook, so I guess the answer to the original question of why more people don't criticize Facebook is that the only demographic that are interested in that kind of thing are conspiracy theorists.

Infowars isn't a news organization, Alex Jones is a self-professed performance artist, and the performance pieces he publishes are created solely to incite outrage in a certain demographic, not to spread actual facts.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by H4CK3RM4N » Sat, May 06, 2017, 7:55 AM UTC

pmarreck wrote: post #6

There are things out there, great things, just struggling to be the next whatever. There should be a way to look past the eclipse of Google, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Snapchat.

I have to say that Duck Duck Go feels a lot more like early Google than Google does now(it feels more like querying a database than asking a machine a question). I could see them taking lots of the 'pro' search traffic, especially with their bangs and the way they still just use Stack Overflow answers/Wikipedia articles for their preferred results instead of attempting to remix them.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by thedickensian » Sat, May 06, 2017, 7:58 AM UTC

asquabventured wrote: post #27

RandomInteger4 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The social value they're creating is that people like me are able to have a common medium through which I can maintain at least some semblance of socialization with a multitude of people who don't all share common interest other than being people I've communicated with at some point.

I guess Email or text messages are no longer cool?

Well, not exactly. While email and text messages are great at helping you keep in contact with people you know, I find Facebook is best at keeping me in contact with people I once knew or don't know very well.

For example, just last week I had an acquaintance who was potentially taking an internship in the city I moved to after I graduated college. This is an acquaintance that I haven't seen in over five years, and was never close with. The kind of person you'd be 100% never seeing again, since we had basically lost touch, minus the whole "we're Facebook friends" aspect.

Granted, I know one of the major gripes about Facebook on HN is that having a lot of friends on Facebook facilitates a lot of useless spam about people you don't quite care about. I totally understand this view.

But on the other hand, I learned that this acquaintance of mine might be stopping in the city I'm in, so far away from our hometown, and being the adult that I am and getting older and older by the minute, knowing just how hard it is to make and maintain friendships as you get older, I decided to give this acquaintance a call (on Facebook of course!) to see if they were free to meetup.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by nebabyte » Sat, May 06, 2017, 8:05 AM UTC

BurningFrog wrote: post #13

_m8fo wrote: post #5

What exactly is the end goal of these advertising platforms, exactly? Ads in my mind are zero sum, so I'm pretty clueless on this front. One thing I find interesting is the simultaneous popularity of these newfound distractions and task/project management software. Are we solving problems that were intentionally created and calling that progress?

Ads definitely create value. You can think of them as improved communication that connects people who are useful to each other.

"improved" lol.

Ads are an incredibly shitty solution to the as-yet-unsolved problem of discovery.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by dmark3 » Sat, May 06, 2017, 8:06 AM UTC

ronhav3 wrote: post #46

I've been on Instagram for a year, and I still don't get it. I've gotten to a 1000 followers by regularly adding photos from my travels. I get a few hundred likes per photo and a couple of dozen of generic comments.And the occasional DM. Is this it ? Even by the standards of social media, it feels very superificial to me. Facebook 10 years ago was much more exciting.

I suppose it makes more sense if you have business to promote, or are one of those people trying to be become "influencers" and sell access to their account.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by Kiro » Sat, May 06, 2017, 8:12 AM UTC

l33tbro wrote: post #15

It's disappointing that tech journalists don't go a bit harder at the founders when writing pieces like these. Sure, it's interesting to find out about Instagram's internal processes and their projections, but Facebook is becoming increasingly regarded as being the main contributor to a new kind of social malaise. Therefore, if Instagram is aspiring to that level of adoption, how can questions like this not be put to…

> ask some hard questions about what social value they're actually creating

What does this mean exactly? Facebook is providing tremendous value to me personally as a way of keeping in touch with family and friends but I guess you're asking from a higher perspective.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by threeseed » Sat, May 06, 2017, 8:12 AM UTC

asquabventured wrote: post #27

RandomInteger4 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The social value they're creating is that people like me are able to have a common medium through which I can maintain at least some semblance of socialization with a multitude of people who don't all share common interest other than being people I've communicated with at some point.

I guess Email or text messages are no longer cool?

It has nothing to do with what is cool or not.

It's about enabling a different type of relationship where you are sharing your life with people you don't necessarily want to have a constant conversation with.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by coralreef » Sat, May 06, 2017, 8:14 AM UTC

icebraining wrote: post #57

coralreef wrote: post #53

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Hmm it is entirely possible to attract new users and access more disposable income (bigger pie). This is backed up with empirical data; aggregate mobile game and app store revenues are growing every year. So while advertising doesn't give consumers more money to spend, it can persuade them to spend higher portions of their entertainment budget on games.

Yes, but that only changes the "gaming industry" to the "entertainment industry". The overall point remains.

I don't understand what that "overall" point is anymore. I thought the point was "whether the whole mobile game industry makes more money by advertising, or whether those games that advertise just make more money at the expense of others."