Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook • Hacker News Board

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by nebabyte » Sat, May 06, 2017, 6:41 AM UTC

olewhalehunter wrote: post #35

teej wrote: post #34

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> Coincidentally, many of the "fake news" links they knocked down were sites that also criticized Facebook. Citation needed.

https://www.infowars.com/proof-facebook-is-blocking-links-to...

...The conflict of interest is apparent even in the URL you linked, but in case that doesn't do it for you:

> The social networking giant recently launched a new feature in which users could flag content as “spam” or “fake news” – a system that allows huge numbers of organized users to flag content simply because they disagree with it or it offends them

They cite this, then go on to make the completely unsubstantiated claim that that's somehow 'proof' of FB censoring them - and with such obvious slipshod "reporting" I honestly don't see what the problem is with FB blocking them as a "news" source and relegating them to being an opinion blog.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by olewhalehunter » Sat, May 06, 2017, 6:44 AM UTC

nebabyte wrote: post #41

olewhalehunter wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.infowars.com/proof-facebook-is-blocking-links-to...

...The conflict of interest is apparent even in the URL you linked, but in case that doesn't do it for you: > The social networking giant recently launched a new feature in which users could flag content as “spam” or “fake news” – a system that allows huge numbers of organized users to flag content simply because they disagree with it or it offends them They cite this, then go on to make the completely unsubstantiate…

You make it sound as if facebook didn't know exactly who the kinds of sites that would end up being flagged would turn out to be, and the only claim that I made was that, coincidentally, they also happen to be sites that criticize Facebook.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by icebraining » Sat, May 06, 2017, 6:47 AM UTC

coralreef wrote: post #22

immad wrote: post #7

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Ads over time extract profit margins from all other industries. For example at least 50% of all profits from mobile games are spent on acquiring users from ads.

Hmm, not sure if "extracts profit margins" is the right terminology. In mobile games, you could have a lifetime value of a user that is higher than their acquisition cost. This generates a model where you can spend money to make money. In this instance, advertising is fuelling user acquisition which fuels profit.

The question is whether the whole mobile game industry makes more money by advertising, or whether those games that advertise just make more money at the expense of others.

Imagine that in a world without ads, game revenue is: Game A: 600, Game B: 600, Game C: 600

But then A spends 300 on ads: Game A: 1200 (-300), Game B: 300, Game C: 300

In this case, game A "spent money to make money", but the overall industry's revenue was the same, and part of the profits now went to ads.

And it makes sense: advertising doesn't give consumers more money to spend, so the size of the pie is fixed, all they can do it redistribute it, extracting a slice in the process.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by victorvation » Sat, May 06, 2017, 6:48 AM UTC

> More precisely, it feels the way Facebook did from 2009 to 2012, when it silently crossed over from one of those tech things that some people sometimes did to one of those tech things that everyone you know does every day.

Ubiquity is an interesting thought - there are very few apps that an average person uses on a daily basis that _aren't_ owned by Facebook. Four of the most used apps (Facebook, Messenger, Instagram, WhatsApp) are owned by the same parent company.

In China, we see an analogous example - to an even greater extent - WeChat is practically the de facto mobile OS. Where do we go from here? Hardware? WeChat seems most likely to do this, from my perspective. What happens when Tencent acquires Xiaomi and creates WeChatOS phones? What happens when Facebook does similar and Mark Zuckerberg controls nearly every waking moment of most Americans? Who is the Apple to the United States v. Facebook monopoly?

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by icebraining » Sat, May 06, 2017, 6:50 AM UTC

olewhalehunter wrote: post #40

icebraining wrote: post #38

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That articles doesn't even make the claim you're making (that Facebook is blocking articles that criticize them), let alone provide evidence of that.

I didn't claim that, what I claimed was that coincidentally, the same sites that criticize Facebook were also being labeled as fake news.

But it's not "coincidentally", they are criticizing Facebook because they were knocked down, and after they were knocked down.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by ronhav3 » Sat, May 06, 2017, 6:53 AM UTC

I've been on Instagram for a year, and I still don't get it.

I've gotten to a 1000 followers by regularly adding photos from my travels. I get a few hundred likes per photo and a couple of dozen of generic comments.And the occasional DM. Is this it ? Even by the standards of social media, it feels very superificial to me.

Facebook 10 years ago was much more exciting.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by olewhalehunter » Sat, May 06, 2017, 6:53 AM UTC

icebraining wrote: post #45

olewhalehunter wrote: post #40

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I didn't claim that, what I claimed was that coincidentally, the same sites that criticize Facebook were also being labeled as fake news.

But it's not "coincidentally", they are criticizing Facebook because they were knocked down, and after they were knocked down.

Infowars and Alex Jones regularly criticized organizations such as Google and Facebook that collect massive amounts of information capital from people well before the elections and the fake news headlines.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by icebraining » Sat, May 06, 2017, 7:02 AM UTC

olewhalehunter wrote: post #47

icebraining wrote: post #45

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But it's not "coincidentally", they are criticizing Facebook because they were knocked down, and after they were knocked down.

Infowars and Alex Jones regularly criticized organizations such as Google and Facebook that collect massive amounts of information capital from people well before the elections and the fake news headlines.

And you expected us to know that? I certainly wouldn't have assumed it, considering the three "share on Facebook" buttons on that page, plus the fact that the article author linked to his FB page at the end.

In any case, Infowars is just one site, and the article only claimed they blocked three mere links.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by arjie » Sat, May 06, 2017, 7:02 AM UTC

asquabventured wrote: post #27

RandomInteger4 wrote: post #23

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The social value they're creating is that people like me are able to have a common medium through which I can maintain at least some semblance of socialization with a multitude of people who don't all share common interest other than being people I've communicated with at some point.

I guess Email or text messages are no longer cool?

You're here on HN and not on some mailing list or phpBB forum. Clearly you derive value from this rather different medium. Well, Instagram users derive value from that other medium.

Email and text message have a different feel and offer different features.

Re: Instagram Is Becoming Facebook’s Next Facebook

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, May 06, 2017, 7:02 AM UTC

asquabventured wrote: post #27

RandomInteger4 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The social value they're creating is that people like me are able to have a common medium through which I can maintain at least some semblance of socialization with a multitude of people who don't all share common interest other than being people I've communicated with at some point.

I guess Email or text messages are no longer cool?

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