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Re: Build yourself a Linux

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

albertzeyer wrote: post #55
ddevault wrote: post #33

Building a Linux distro from scratch has been one of the most tasking projects I've attempted. There are two phases: the frustration phase, and the tedious phase. Bootstrapping it is an incredibly frustrating process - I restarted from scratch 5 times before any attempt ever got to the tedious phase. The tedious phase never ends. You have to make hundreds of packages to get to a usable desktop system. I've made 407 p…

I'm just curious: In what way is it rewarding? Just for educational purpose? Or anything else? Or is it just a hobby? I mean, you are probably investing a lot of time into this. This time you could spend on other things instead. I see the educational purpose. Although you probably get similar experience/understanding/education if you use something like Gentoo and you would have to invest much less time because all th…

It's rewarding because I finally have a Linux distro that's designed the way I want. I started making this because I wasn't satisfied with anyone else's offerings.

Re: Build yourself a Linux

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Post by albertzeyer »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #71
albertzeyer wrote: post #55

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I'm just curious: In what way is it rewarding? Just for educational purpose? Or anything else? Or is it just a hobby? I mean, you are probably investing a lot of time into this. This time you could spend on other things instead. I see the educational purpose. Although you probably get similar experience/understanding/education if you use something like Gentoo and you would have to invest much less time because all th…

It's rewarding because I finally have a Linux distro that's designed the way I want. I started making this because I wasn't satisfied with anyone else's offerings.

Can you say what is different in your distro than in any other distro? And you think that no other distro could have been extended/fixed to get what you want? Do you consider that this is useful for anyone else? In that case, you really should publish your work and write about it.

Re: Build yourself a Linux

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

albertzeyer wrote: post #72
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #71

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It's rewarding because I finally have a Linux distro that's designed the way I want. I started making this because I wasn't satisfied with anyone else's offerings.

Can you say what is different in your distro than in any other distro? And you think that no other distro could have been extended/fixed to get what you want? Do you consider that this is useful for anyone else? In that case, you really should publish your work and write about it.

It is published, and you can evaluate its usefulness here:

https://agunix.org/fqa

I'm writing up a blog post on it now, I realize I haven't done that yet.

Re: Build yourself a Linux

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Post by michielderhaeg »

fizixer wrote: post #25

Have you even looked at the LFS project[1]? And what does your guide provide that LFS doesn't? [1] http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/

It's supposed to be a lot shorter and simpler. Which means many important things were left out for the sake of brevity. I also think LFS doesn't always explain why we are doing certain things a certain way or how things work. Sure you get a working system but it's often assumed you know why it's working. I'm not sure if I did a better job though.

Re: Build yourself a Linux

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Post by digi_owl »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #64
willtim wrote: post #46

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I'm running i3, polybar, connman and rofi as my Linux desktop environment and its very productive, configurable, lightweight and reliable. My only worry is that one day I'll be forced to move to something akin to what you describe. I blame object-oriented programmers.

I found it strange that the comment you replied to complained about 'not enough layers'. That sounds like a benefit to me!

Its about how you have the kernel, the userland and then whatever you want to run on top, with the upper layers not caring much about whats is beyond its nearest neighbors.

Thus you can switch out what makes up the various layers as you see fit.

Re: Build yourself a Linux

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Post by vetinari »

cat199 wrote: post #27
digi_owl wrote: post #16

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What is that legal term again, "Different in degree, not kind"? The more i find out about systemd and surrounding projects, the more i feel they should stop branding anything using it as Linux. It seems to be heading into Android territory, where it may have the kernel in common with classic (GNU?) Linux, but beyond that it is a whole new beast.

Isn't the whole idea to kill Unix? Use funding to keep keep the 'cool things' purposefully incompatible, GPL'ed, and controlled via influence by well-staffed and funded corporate sponsors.. This keeps the IT people from getting too powerful w/r/t the managers...

No.

20 years ago, there was the same scream about Redhat going to destroy Linux when switching from bsdinit to SysV init, or from libc5 to glibc2.

Here we are today. Redhat is going to destroy Linux again. This time by switching from SysV init (or whatever).

Re: Build yourself a Linux

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Post by vetinari »

duncan_bayne wrote: post #50
vbezhenar wrote: post #14

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I did exactly the same in 2005. I even wrote my own init scripts, so I really understood a lot what's going on at startup time. Linux was quite simple at that time. I could write my own init, if I wanted. Unfortunately now this knowledge is obsolete. Systemd is a complex beast which uses a lot of arcane techniques, I'm hardly understanding it. chroot was a really simple concept, but nowadays people use containers, an…

Maybe you should give FreeBSD a go. I've migrated to it from GNU/Linux for my everyday dev laptop, and haven't looked back. It's a lot like Linux used to be.

Not sure it would help ;)

https://plus.google.com/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/post...

Re: Build yourself a Linux

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Post by atemerev »

vetinari wrote: post #78
duncan_bayne wrote: post #50

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Maybe you should give FreeBSD a go. I've migrated to it from GNU/Linux for my everyday dev laptop, and haven't looked back. It's a lot like Linux used to be.

Not sure it would help ;) https://plus.google.com/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/post...

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