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Re: Ask HN: Why U.S. people dislike Nokia?

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Nokia does not support Flash, it supports Flash Lite. Android on the other hand fully supports Flash.

By "fully", you mean one phone has a beta-quality download of Flash? Nokia has been unpopular in the US for longer than Flash on phones has been something anyone's even been thinking about, so I doubt this is the reason.

Re: Ask HN: Why U.S. people dislike Nokia?

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Nokia isn't really a big open source company. They're kind of ambivalent about it, actually. The real open source play, is of course, Android.

Sorry, but that's just nonsense. In the last three years, Nokia has: * Acquired Trolltech, makers of the Qt toolkit (basis of KDE), changed Qt's licensing to the more flexible LGPL, and opened up the Qt development model to open source contributions. * Acquired Symbian, the world's most widely distributed smartphone OS, then open-sourced the whole thing and turned it over to a non-profit foundation. * Released severa…

My understanding at the time they open sourced it Symbian was a nightmare, the technical leadership was completely falling to pieces and a huge number of their developers were quitting. And when you're doing things like rolling your own STL implementation you can't just pick up random C++ devs to plug the gaps. Symbian was (still is?) dead in the water, open sourcing it was a last stab at survival.

Re: Ask HN: Why U.S. people dislike Nokia?

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I've bought an N95, N770, and an N800. I love all of them.

I really wanted to buy an N900 but it didn't support AT&T 3G, only T-Mo. My circumstances are such that I want to be on AT&T but I'm not willing to compromise on raw speed. As it became clear that Nokia was not going to release an AT&T version, i gave up.

I'm really hoping that the N910 (or whatever) supports AT&T 3G and has HDMI-out. I'd snap it up in a heartbeat.

Re: Ask HN: Why U.S. people dislike Nokia?

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I haven't seen a Nokia phone that has the kind of intuitive, well-organized, attractive, and responsive UI that we see with the iPhone and Android phones. I have some friends who have expensive Nokia phones and like to brag about their capabilities, but when you actually see these phones in use, they just aren't as enjoyable to use due to the OS which seems unrefined (I'd go so far as to say it seems unfinished). htt…

I have to echo this. In fact, I had the chance to use a N900 just a couple of days ago. I'm not going to lie, it's a gigantic piece of junk, let me enumerate the ways: - Resistive touchscreen in this day and age? The light touches that I can use on every Android phone and iPhone turn into concerted screen-mashing on the Nokia. The drags and flicks that have become popular (and important) gestures are hard to do on th…

Having used Maemo/N900 for several months, I've never experienced a problem with click lag. It's easily as responsive if not more than iPhones and Android-based phones I've used.

It's difficult to assert that an interface in its entirety is unrefined or unfinished having only used it for a few minutes. I very rarely found myself confused or frustrated by the interface after using it for a day. Every devices has its flaws, every user his/her preferences and expectations. I bought it because I wanted a fully open Linux OS running in my pocket. Not to be snarky (ok, maybe a little), but if I wanted a Fisher Price toy, I'd buy an Apple product. The two devices decisively appeal to different crowds.

Re: Ask HN: Why U.S. people dislike Nokia?

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I have to echo this. In fact, I had the chance to use a N900 just a couple of days ago. I'm not going to lie, it's a gigantic piece of junk, let me enumerate the ways: - Resistive touchscreen in this day and age? The light touches that I can use on every Android phone and iPhone turn into concerted screen-mashing on the Nokia. The drags and flicks that have become popular (and important) gestures are hard to do on th…

Having used Maemo/N900 for several months, I've never experienced a problem with click lag. It's easily as responsive if not more than iPhones and Android-based phones I've used. It's difficult to assert that an interface in its entirety is unrefined or unfinished having only used it for a few minutes. I very rarely found myself confused or frustrated by the interface after using it for a day. Every devices has its f…

Most people find that fisher price toy a more practical device than your fully functional linux device.

Re: Ask HN: Why U.S. people dislike Nokia?

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having used Maemo/N900 for several months, I've never experienced a problem with click lag. It's easily as responsive if not more than iPhones and Android-based phones I've used. It's difficult to assert that an interface in its entirety is unrefined or unfinished having only used it for a few minutes. I very rarely found myself confused or frustrated by the interface after using it for a day. Every devices has its f…

Most people find that fisher price toy a more practical device than your fully functional linux device.

Most people think the cow goes "quack"

Re: Ask HN: Why U.S. people dislike Nokia?

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Symbian is a horrible platform to develop applications on. I developed some C++ apps maybe 5 years ago, before iPhone and Android existed. The API design just sucked, and especially the dev tools. Development was slow and painful. And everything kept changing all the time, different and incompatible for each phone model. I don't think they have learned much, considering the current Maemo/MeeGo/Qt/GTK/Whatever mess. I don't want to learn it because next year they come up with something different again.

Developing apps on Xcode and iPhone SDK is a totally different world. You have a clear MVC model, including even the nice graphical SQLite / Core Data designer stuff, and the APIs are quite logical and simple to understand. (Well actually, Core Data is the fugliest API, but I can live with it.) Apple has really concentrated on making app development easy and enjoyable. The licensing/approval bs is uncool of course.

Re: Ask HN: Why U.S. people dislike Nokia?

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people find that fisher price toy a more practical device than your fully functional linux device.

Most people think the cow goes "quack"

I'm fairly sure they don't. But more to the point, personal usefulness is subjective, your counterpoint is objective.
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