You seem to assume that the only use for knowledge is garnering employment: this is patently false, as you could easily learn something and apply it for your own pleasure in the non-professional domain. P.S. It's called ’statistics’.
Ask HN: Is it a waste of time to teach yourself data science without a degree?
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#12Re: Ask HN: Is it a waste of time to teach yourself data science without a degree?
#13It depends on how you define "data science". If you are like AWS and say that using logistic regression is machine learning, then yes, you can teach yourself data science. Learn SQL, read a couple of books on logistic regression, use some open data for building a couple of models. There are many companies where you can have a decent job and an easy living with SQL and logistic regression on your tool belt. If you say…
Why not? What is it that prevents anyone from learning anything without getting a degree? I disagree with your statement, I think it might be harder, but I don't think anyone "cannot teach themselves X".
Re: Ask HN: Is it a waste of time to teach yourself data science without a degree?
#14It depends on how you define "data science". If you are like AWS and say that using logistic regression is machine learning, then yes, you can teach yourself data science. Learn SQL, read a couple of books on logistic regression, use some open data for building a couple of models. There are many companies where you can have a decent job and an easy living with SQL and logistic regression on your tool belt. If you say…
> no, you can not teach yourself data science. You will need at least one degree. Or more. Why not? What is it that prevents anyone from learning anything without getting a degree? I disagree with your statement, I think it might be harder, but I don't think anyone "cannot teach themselves X".
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#15Re: Ask HN: Is it a waste of time to teach yourself data science without a degree?
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
> no, you can not teach yourself data science. You will need at least one degree. Or more. Why not? What is it that prevents anyone from learning anything without getting a degree? I disagree with your statement, I think it might be harder, but I don't think anyone "cannot teach themselves X".
I agree with parts of both statements. On one hand, if you're looking to seriously get into data science then it's going to be hard to even get interviews with companies that are looking for real data scientists without those pieces of paper (diplomas). On the other hand, I agree that with enough dedication and effort you can teach yourself anything (after all, university is largely just you teaching yourself with th…
Just design models that deliver business value.
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#17Their programs express job placement as a perk of graduation.
https://www.udacity.com/nanodegree
Educating for the "jobs of the future" is one of Udacity's goals, data scientist being one of those jobs.
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#18I'd say if you don't want to work for a large, respected company first, it's a waste of time. Your degree is your entry ticket to your first job, not more. Later on, you can even work at Google if you want - just make a great product and get acquihired.
Three tips on what you should do instead:
1) BUILD something and show off your skills. Like, continuously. Always have your own challenges, do something about them, put your code online on Github. Host it so it can be seen and played with. Work towards a goal and learn what you need to learn on the side.
2) Focus on applying to companies not listing a degree in their job ad. You'll see there are quite a lot of them.
3) Don't focus on your lack of a degree in any interviews. Don't deny it, but just don't make it seem a deal. Often times, people won't even ask.
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#19It depends on how you define "data science". If you are like AWS and say that using logistic regression is machine learning, then yes, you can teach yourself data science. Learn SQL, read a couple of books on logistic regression, use some open data for building a couple of models. There are many companies where you can have a decent job and an easy living with SQL and logistic regression on your tool belt. If you say…
> no, you can not teach yourself data science. You will need at least one degree. Or more. Why not? What is it that prevents anyone from learning anything without getting a degree? I disagree with your statement, I think it might be harder, but I don't think anyone "cannot teach themselves X".
1. Company hires this data scientist, but regulators are skeptical of the efficacy of his/her implementation. 2. Companies adopt this notion that everyone can be a data scientist, build self driving cars, and the cars turn out to be a very error prone, imposing harm.
Businesses have to set a bar somewhere to ensure their expected return on data scientist is positive. Just like pharma execs & investors vet their scientists, highly complex data science positions will require convincing the players (investors, regulators...etc.) that your guy is legit. A pharma company would never endorse Walter White as their scientist responsible for delivering drugs.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
> no, you can not teach yourself data science. You will need at least one degree. Or more. Why not? What is it that prevents anyone from learning anything without getting a degree? I disagree with your statement, I think it might be harder, but I don't think anyone "cannot teach themselves X".
I agree with parts of both statements. On one hand, if you're looking to seriously get into data science then it's going to be hard to even get interviews with companies that are looking for real data scientists without those pieces of paper (diplomas). On the other hand, I agree that with enough dedication and effort you can teach yourself anything (after all, university is largely just you teaching yourself with th…