This proves that the phone can be more a liability in the face of much better technology.
Thieves drain 2FA-protected bank accounts by abusing SS7 routing protocol
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#32With ss7 you can do fun things like query the last location update/logged in base station for a mobile phone, due to roaming carrier x can query for customers on carrier y in another country. If you link up to one of the roaming hubs you can pretty much get the location of anyone with a mobile phone. Feature phones included.
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#33https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/08/nist_is_no_lo...
Second comment: SMS should have been removed long time ago considering the SS7 problems. Better to use a secure token.
Is the bank taking responsibility and covering the loss for their customers?
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#34Idea basically is a 3FA system where bank sends you a one-time 6-digit number. You then have to translate that number using a user-seeded cryptographic hash function. This secret function is your third factor which translates the received SMS code into the value you'll input at login.
Analysis: Security would increase; but ease-of-use would decrease, especially in regards to how a user would reset their password if they lose both their password and their program that calculates the cryptographic hash.
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#35SMS is not a secure 2nd factor. It is subject to not only technical attacks such as the one in the article, but also a wide variety of social engineering attacks. Getting cell phone reps to compromise an cell phone account is apparently not hard, and has been used many times to take over online accounts.
Now, Apple users can use their fingerprint as a 2nd factor (e.g. for Apple Pay), but fingerprints have the unfortunate property of not being rotatable if compromised.
And there are FIDO U2F security keys, but you still need to issue $18-$50 tokens to each user, and you need host application support.
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#36Here's a guide for how to set up SMS-free two-factor authentication on your Gmail account. It will cost you $18; if that's a hardship, contact me. https://techsolidarity.org/resources/security_key_gmail.htm
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#37Banks here in the UK use your chip & pin based card as a second factor (or rather, as the two factors - the chip you have, the pin you know) - they give you a little card reader that can use the card and pin to provide a 2FA token for logging in or sign requests to send money. It's a much better system. Of course, some banks don't use it to it's full potential - many use it only for signing money transfers, but it's…
> It's a much better system. Sure and much more inconvenient one, because you have to carry this device with you everywhere. Even much better system would be a living being at each ATM machine checking your credentials.
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#38Edit: I had an idea for an improved sms 2fa, but comments gave persuasive reasons why google authenticator was better. Thanks for the comments! Idea basically is a 3FA system where bank sends you a one-time 6-digit number. You then have to translate that number using a user-seeded cryptographic hash function. This secret function is your third factor which translates the received SMS code into the value you'll input…
Re: Thieves drain 2FA-protected bank accounts by abusing SS7 routing protocol
#39Here's a guide for how to set up SMS-free two-factor authentication on your Gmail account. It will cost you $18; if that's a hardship, contact me. https://techsolidarity.org/resources/security_key_gmail.htm
I wouldn't buy a security device from amazon. You can buy that device on the official yubico website.
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#40Isn't this the old "SMS is not 2FA, stop calling it that" argument?