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Kodi: Open source TV app inspires full-blown copyright panic in the UK

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#11
The future of these pirate TV devices is so uncertain that I don't understand why people are willing to pay so much for them.

I recently saw something called an ISTV that was selling for around $400. I can't imagine investing that kind of money in a product that can be shutdown in under a year.

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#12

The future of these pirate TV devices is so uncertain that I don't understand why people are willing to pay so much for them. I recently saw something called an ISTV that was selling for around $400. I can't imagine investing that kind of money in a product that can be shutdown in under a year.

If you pay $100/month for cable, than I could see someone justifying $400/year as worth it. Especially considering you probably have more options.

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#13

The state of legal TV and film content in the UK is abysmal. I think it's really important that we consider that just because there's no legal way for me to watch say "The Americans" season 5 legally in the UK[0], I'm not entitled to pirate it. That is the content distributors mistake. Saying that me downloading it doesn't hurt them doesn't track either because I'll be seeding a file to others who might have legal al…

>I think it's really important that we consider that just because there's no legal way for me to watch say "The Americans" season 5 legally in the UK[0], I'm not entitled to pirate it. That is the content distributors mistake.

I think that if media hasn't been released legally for a significant amount of time, it should be allowed to be shared. But a fews months or years? If you made that the law, it would really warp the negotiating powers of distributors and content creators.

I don't having to wait a modest amount of to watch stuff is a good excuse for piracy. Especially in the age of netflix. How many dozens of great shows are there that you can watch instead?

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#14

The state of legal TV and film content in the UK is abysmal. I think it's really important that we consider that just because there's no legal way for me to watch say "The Americans" season 5 legally in the UK[0], I'm not entitled to pirate it. That is the content distributors mistake. Saying that me downloading it doesn't hurt them doesn't track either because I'll be seeding a file to others who might have legal al…

> I'll be seeding a file to others who might have legal alternatives

It doesn't seem fair to me to make the seeder responsible for the illegal usage of the leacher. If it's legal for some people to connect to a torrent, then any crime committed by someone who connects and downloads something they are not allowed to download should be on them, not on the seeder. The alternative is to insist that the seeder is responsible for checking that each of their peers have the rights to the content, which is impractical.

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#15

The state of legal TV and film content in the UK is abysmal. I think it's really important that we consider that just because there's no legal way for me to watch say "The Americans" season 5 legally in the UK[0], I'm not entitled to pirate it. That is the content distributors mistake. Saying that me downloading it doesn't hurt them doesn't track either because I'll be seeding a file to others who might have legal al…

>Saying that me downloading it doesn't hurt them doesn't track either because I'll be seeding a file to others who might have legal alternatives.

I don't follow. I feel quite strongly that those people are in the wrong, not the seeder.

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#16
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I moved to the UK a few years ago, I'm still really surprised with the state of TV here. Between this and things like "TV licence" - It's just an embarrassment really.

Yes, TV here is shit, but the TV licence is completely optional if you're not the applicable content, you can opt-out online: http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/te...

This is being complicated by the out-of-touch rules on what constitutes "live TV" - I occasionally watch news from my home country through a VPN, and sports events that are also might be broadcast live to at least one country somewhere. Despite neither having anything to do with live broadcasting in the UK, I still have to pay TV license.

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#17
These stories are incredibly incendiary, fueled by Murdoch's News UK Group. Whilst I think you would be an idiot to run unknown software on your home network (even if it means you get free TV) there have been no prosecutions against individual users yet.

Sky's sport and movie subscriber base are obviously taking a hit from people moving to pirated content. That is why you are seeing hyperbolic stories about 10 years in prison for watching football on a Kodi box.

I would not be surprised to find that the same media groups [successfully] lobbied for the 2017 Digital Economy Act amendments.

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#18
>> Pubs are a favoured target of FACT. Subscriptions allowing them to screen live sports are expensive, making Kodi boxes attractive.

Is this the situation in the US too? I wonder why pubs have shitty cableTV with downgraded picture when they could just get an antenna and have awesome HD. Is it not OK to publicly show that which is broadcast? That seems absurd.

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#19

The state of legal TV and film content in the UK is abysmal. I think it's really important that we consider that just because there's no legal way for me to watch say "The Americans" season 5 legally in the UK[0], I'm not entitled to pirate it. That is the content distributors mistake. Saying that me downloading it doesn't hurt them doesn't track either because I'll be seeding a file to others who might have legal al…

> I'll be seeding a file to others who might have legal alternatives It doesn't seem fair to me to make the seeder responsible for the illegal usage of the leacher. If it's legal for some people to connect to a torrent, then any crime committed by someone who connects and downloads something they are not allowed to download should be on them, not on the seeder. The alternative is to insist that the seeder is responsi…

The seeder is the one distributing the content, thereby violating the copyright. Viewing is not illegal, making the copy is.

Re: Kodi: Open source TV app inspires full-blown copyright panic in the UK

#20

>> Pubs are a favoured target of FACT. Subscriptions allowing them to screen live sports are expensive, making Kodi boxes attractive. Is this the situation in the US too? I wonder why pubs have shitty cableTV with downgraded picture when they could just get an antenna and have awesome HD. Is it not OK to publicly show that which is broadcast? That seems absurd.

Just using an antenna, you would only be able to get a few games, mostly from local teams. People want to see games from all over, which local TV stations don't generally offer.
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