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Apple plans to spend $1B to support advanced manufacturing jobs in the U.S

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Re: Apple plans to spend $1B to support advanced manufacturing jobs in the U.S

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Sorry, I guess I haven't been following the news that closely. Apart from NK, what's the China problem?

South China Sea.

Debt. Look at the financials in China and you'll see a huge bubble that's just beginning to burst. Going to take a year to fully materialize but it will be ugly.

Re: Apple plans to spend $1B to support advanced manufacturing jobs in the U.S

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I had the same thought. It's outlandish that a $1B investment in anything could be viewed as insignificant.

Viewing the investment as insignificant because the investor has more money is a seriously foolish perspective that ought to be fought against instead of expressed

It is a valid point of view. Although perspective and proportionality are equally valid as well.. Apple invest in anyone else but themselves.

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Anyone else find it odd that all these headlines states only how much these companies are going to spend on manufacturing, but none of them say what they're actually going to be making?

Is it really that odd? Its a way for companies to prevent getting hit by a Trump tweet that deplores them for not hiring enough Americans. So now, everyone wants to portray any US investment they make, any US workers they hire, loudly and with big but vague/unspecific numbers.

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> Cook told "60 Minutes” in 2015. “I mean, you can take every tool and die maker in the United States and probably put them in a room that we’re currently sitting in. In China, you would have to have multiple football fields.” In that interview he also said that the jobs weren't coming back. This is one of the most powerful statements uttered on American labor and employment trends in recent memory. I have shared thi…

American labor was fucked anyways, Globalism only accelerated trends that would have happened anyhow. From a long term perspective, its absolutely amazing that the US has managed to export all the factory level jobs to other countries and yet managed to keep the better paying jobs back here in the states. The current lack of (low skilled) jobs in manufacturing has made it clear to those Americans willing to listen: t…

> continue as a global technological powerhouse (unless it gets fucked by Trumpism and populism of course).

Capitalism breathes credit, credit is a function of belief in the future. I'm curious how much protectionism is necessary at home to maintain necessary levels of belief in the future.

> they (or their children) need to acquire those skills that make them employable in the 21st century

How? What skills are necessary and where do they get them? As far as I can tell the education ecosystem in the US is wholly unsuited for this task.

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I assume since you used the word, you know what it means - what the fuck is globalism? I know what glottalization is, as a concept, a trend, and all of the debates surrounding it for the past four decades, but what the fuck is globalism?

In the time it took for you to write an agressive, graceless comment, you could have typed "globalism" into google and clicked on the first link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalism

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It's so incredibly obvious that the best course of action is to let all these companies bring home all those foreign revenues so long as a significant portion of it is reinvested in the US is a reasonable period of time, excluding investments in financial instruments (stocks and bonds) and non-productive assets like land. Any money that is stuck abroad will be reinvested abroad, making foreign economies more competit…

The money isn't "stuck" abroad, it is hidden there. Don't pretend that it is the big bad tax man that is stopping these companies from being altruistic, this is 100% about maximizing profit.

The idea of reinvesting money domestically is good in theory, but how do you actually ensure that the money stays here? Is Apple Et Al. going to build, staff and operate these factories with local labour? Or, are they going to sub-contract out to the lowest domestic bidder who will just end up outsourcing the work overseas where the factories and labour is already established and cheaper?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

American labor was fucked anyways, Globalism only accelerated trends that would have happened anyhow. From a long term perspective, its absolutely amazing that the US has managed to export all the factory level jobs to other countries and yet managed to keep the better paying jobs back here in the states. The current lack of (low skilled) jobs in manufacturing has made it clear to those Americans willing to listen: t…

> continue as a global technological powerhouse (unless it gets fucked by Trumpism and populism of course). Capitalism breathes credit, credit is a function of belief in the future. I'm curious how much protectionism is necessary at home to maintain necessary levels of belief in the future. > they (or their children) need to acquire those skills that make them employable in the 21st century How? What skills are neces…

Programming, obviously.

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It's so incredibly obvious that the best course of action is to let all these companies bring home all those foreign revenues so long as a significant portion of it is reinvested in the US is a reasonable period of time, excluding investments in financial instruments (stocks and bonds) and non-productive assets like land. Any money that is stuck abroad will be reinvested abroad, making foreign economies more competit…

> I can only assume

Perhaps they have a very good understanding of accounting and how easy it is for a company to artificially inflate overseas profits. Note the legal troubles about Ireland. If companies could bring overseas profits home tax-free, we'd miraculously have no domestic profit the next year.

Re: Apple plans to spend $1B to support advanced manufacturing jobs in the U.S

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> Cook told "60 Minutes” in 2015. “I mean, you can take every tool and die maker in the United States and probably put them in a room that we’re currently sitting in. In China, you would have to have multiple football fields.” In that interview he also said that the jobs weren't coming back. This is one of the most powerful statements uttered on American labor and employment trends in recent memory. I have shared thi…

Here's something else that should shake US and UK highly skilled workers. Our time will soon come as well.

In China, they are racing to match and surpass western standards. I would say, they have already matched in some cases. But unlike the west where companies export out to save costs. Companies in China do everything in-house.

There will be a time where these 6 figure jobs that some HN users have, will go down by 50%. Why? Better coders outside of the US, UK, EUR, etc.

Of course, there will be a portion saying that we must keep our skills up to date. But not everyone can do heavy math, statistics, and ML. Just think of the developers who work on drupal, wordpress, javascript. What percentage do you think they can develop AI systems on tensorflow and neural nets?

A major shift is coming. As developers, we need to prepare.

Cue the cries for UBI.

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