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Re: Coinbase adds support for Litecoin

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I never really got the appeal of Litecoin. It was basically just a copy and paste of Bitcoin with only minor alterations made to the source code (like changing the PoW for Script which never really defeated ASICs and a few other small changes.) It made no major innovations that can be named and even to this day it still lacks several of the major bug fixes that made it into Bitcoin (there are still patches missing fr…

All of this was arguably true two weeks ago.

Today, Litecoin has locked in support for Segwit, and in about a week it will be possible to create Lightning Network transactions using Litecoin.

This is largely due to the efforts of the creator, Charlie Lee, who was able to build consensus among the community to activate Segwit.

Contrast this with the inability of the Bitcoin Community over the last few years to get any improvements added.

You may think this is a bad thing because Litecoin has a more centralized authority governing it, or you may think it's a good thing because Litecoin has a way to improve itself, but either way I'd argue Litecoin has very recently become more than what you described.

Re: Coinbase adds support for Litecoin

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So little activity until 1st of April. What gives... https://www.coingecko.com/en/price_charts/litecoin/btc/90_da...

Litecoin founder came back and started working on SegWit.

"Litecoin founder"

Funny how people get pride from copy/pasting Bitcoin's code.

Re: Coinbase adds support for Litecoin

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I never really got the appeal of Litecoin. It was basically just a copy and paste of Bitcoin with only minor alterations made to the source code (like changing the PoW for Script which never really defeated ASICs and a few other small changes.) It made no major innovations that can be named and even to this day it still lacks several of the major bug fixes that made it into Bitcoin (there are still patches missing fr…

Markets gonna value what they want to value... I think it is good to have different options for people. Overall I think cryptocurrencies are undervalued - 40 billion market cap is nothing when thinking about the potential. However what cryptocurrency should have which percentage of the crypto economy is a much more difficult question.

Re: Coinbase adds support for Litecoin

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You can't rank altcoins by market cap, it's a very flawed indicator. Unlike Bitcoin, none of the Altcoins currently have any use outside speculation, including Ethereum. There is significant skepticism that Ethereum could deliver on it's promises if it was widely used. Litecoin is an almost identical clone of Bitcoin. The network recently decided to implement a change (called SegWit) that will help with scalability (…

Makes me curious. If not by market cap, how would you rank them?

It's hard to find objective metrics. I would look at real-world usage and utility. The currencies fall in a very clear distribution there -- bitcoin and all others.

Re: Coinbase adds support for Litecoin

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I never really got the appeal of Litecoin. It was basically just a copy and paste of Bitcoin with only minor alterations made to the source code (like changing the PoW for Script which never really defeated ASICs and a few other small changes.) It made no major innovations that can be named and even to this day it still lacks several of the major bug fixes that made it into Bitcoin (there are still patches missing fr…

All of this was arguably true two weeks ago. Today, Litecoin has locked in support for Segwit, and in about a week it will be possible to create Lightning Network transactions using Litecoin. This is largely due to the efforts of the creator, Charlie Lee, who was able to build consensus among the community to activate Segwit. Contrast this with the inability of the Bitcoin Community over the last few years to get any…

This. As the price indicated, it was 1/10 the value of itself from the Chinese bubble while Bitcoin has reached all time high now until it realized its use as a good real world test of the Bitcoin's newer features when Bitcoin struggled to apply those due to political and financial conflict within the community but Litecoin went ahead being a much smaller community and is the first to have it activated.

Being almost identical to Bitcoin actually increased its value as its results can be a good indication for Bitcoin as well.

As a cryptocurrency, it's pretty much of no use but as a real world play ground for newer features for Bitcoin, it's pretty optimal and it just proved it has a room to stay than being irrelevant.

Re: Coinbase adds support for Litecoin

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Is there interest in a cryptocurrency index fund? The idea is you could just buy an index fund composed of, say, 50% BTC, 20% ETH, 15% LTC and 15% ZEC. I'm fairly certain that one of these cryptocurrencies will 10 or 100x in value over the next 5 years, but buying each one individually is just such a pain. Would you invest? In reality, we'd probably buy the top 10 coins weighted according to some measure, and rebalan…

The way people are treating cryptocurrency exchanges makes absolutely no sense to me. Most people are buying into it because they are absolutely certain they will manage to cash out once the currency hits an extreme "all time high". When such a peak occurs whereby the top 1% - as determined by number of coins owned - cashes out, everyone else who jumped on the bandwagon thinking they would also cash out is going to b…

As someone who follows cryptocurrencies from a distance, I like to put relatively small amounts, say $100, into Coinbase, then use that to do regular small purchases (leaving only $100 in Coinbase). I've been using it to make domain renewal purchases on sites like Gandi.net. As far as I know, in my circles, that's what most people do (anecdotal, I know).

Although seeing the impact of Alphabay (market) adopting ETH, there seems to be a huge market for cryptocurrencies and it probably won't go away until governments start legalizing/regulating harder drugs.

Re: Coinbase adds support for Litecoin

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You probably want to read on the difficulties facing the Winklevoss' proposed ETF for Bitcoin. The MVP of your proposed idea is easy; the legal version is hard. If you do the MVP and don't put in an effort to get legal the happy case outcome is the SEC sends you a very annoyed letter and you shut down; there are a number of less-happy outcomes. (If you're going to spend a few years getting intimately familiar with ho…

It would be cool to do it in such a way that you ship the crypto "fund" as a binary that users run on their own server, kind of like a smart wallet. The program would make automatic trades to rebalance some BTC you initially deposit. You could "withdraw" BTC with a sale (implementation detail) whenever you wanted. I wouldn't think there would be legal requirements there.

    >>> It would be cool to do it in such a way that you ship the crypto "fund" as a binary that users run on their own server, kind of like a smart wallet. The program would make automatic trades to rebalance some BTC you initially deposit. You could "withdraw" BTC with a sale (implementation detail) whenever you wanted.
I like the concept, a lot. In fact, I like it so much so that I'm going to toss out a bunch of unsolicited advice for you -- or whoever starts down the path to build a tool like this -- to consider.

My immediate concern would be ensuring the fund was large enough to support the counter party risk that everyone would take on as their tokens cycled between BTC and whatever else was in the index. If it's not large enough and you have a significant enough event that triggers a higher-than-normal BTC pull out you may end up in a situation where some number of the users are stuck with tokens that they can't do anything with.

The second concern I have is how you'd manage to avoid a situation of a eventual "death by a thousand cuts", wrt all of the token-specific fees that are automatically deducted for each transaction. Every trade the tool makes -- if conducted on-blockchain versus through a centralized service/layer -- will gradually erode the user's capital.

If you tried to aggregate the trades off-blockchain to avoid the individual transaction fees for every trade you introduce a whole new set of risks and challenges.

Finally, if you're doing everything on-blockchain, you need to consider that the "settlement time" for each transaction won't be consistent. The different tokens will take different amounts of time, and even within the same token there's going to be wild variability. For example, within the last two months I've had different BTC transactions take anywhere from 1 hour to 2 days to reach six network confirmations. I always include a (nominally) higher than the minimum required transaction fee to ensure I'm not actively dropped by miners, and it's as much a function of luck as it is lots of other variables that would be outside of your direct control. You could pay a larger fee per transaction in the hopes of getting the miners to prioritize your trades, but that leads you back to my early point about "death by a thousand cuts".

    >> I wouldn't think there would be legal requirements there.
For you, the developer, maybe not if you give it away.

For the person running the software there are almost certainly going to be tax implications at a bare minimum (and all sorts of other local regulatory and legal "land mines") that they would need to consider.

If you'd like to charge money for the binary in the form of a perpetual license fee, you may be ok. I expect that you would eventually run in to regulatory issues if you set it up to charge a trading fee or subscription fee (ostensibly for "financial services" such as assisting with the matching of traders). It all depends on how quickly your tool reached a point where it was successful enough to draw the attention of some regulator, somewhere.

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IANAL / IANAA, but I spent a number of years working full-time in the cryptocurrency space, so I've seen a bunch of great ideas up-ended by even the perceived threat of legal action.

I enjoy discussing these topics, so if you or anyone else would like to chat about it off HN, my contact info is in my profile.

Re: Coinbase adds support for Litecoin

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As part of the YC Startup School we are working on an API which supports multiple cryptocurrencies and tokens, including gathering blockchain metrics. Is this something you might be interested in?

This is something that I would be interested in but for different purposes altogether. Anyway to sign up for a newsletter/waiting list?

Yes, could you please send an inquiry to http://www.coinfabrik.com mentioning this thread and elaborating about your use case(s)? We will give you feedback then. Thanks!
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