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Re: Ask HN: Self Hosted vs. Gmail / Outlook?

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http://mailinabox.email Formerly, I'd say maintaining your own email server isn't easy. It was hell trying to set one up 10-15 years ago. This guy (and the contributors) have made it about as easy as it can get. I've hosted mail for one of my domains on a DO droplet, where I set up a mail server with that guide. Been running it for ~4 years. No issues. Highly recommended.

iRedMail is a pretty good project too

Re: Ask HN: Self Hosted vs. Gmail / Outlook?

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http://mailinabox.email Formerly, I'd say maintaining your own email server isn't easy. It was hell trying to set one up 10-15 years ago. This guy (and the contributors) have made it about as easy as it can get. I've hosted mail for one of my domains on a DO droplet, where I set up a mail server with that guide. Been running it for ~4 years. No issues. Highly recommended.

In a similar vein there is docker-mailserver [1].

[1]: https://github.com/tomav/docker-mailserver

Re: Ask HN: Self Hosted vs. Gmail / Outlook?

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If you're concerned about privacy, don't use a free service. Pay for it and the privacy concern usually goes away. If you specifically concerned with US laws go German: https://posteo.de/ is a good one to consider.

Either way they're going to be digging through the emails. NSA and I think the US military is allowed to hack into any communication traversing boundaries between countries. And Germany is also part of the alliance of the many eyed spies. You're either going up against NSA/Military grade surveillance that feeds into FBI, DHS, CIA, etc... databases, or going up against "internal" politics and services that does the same.

Re: Ask HN: Self Hosted vs. Gmail / Outlook?

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If you're concerned about privacy, don't use a free service. Pay for it and the privacy concern usually goes away. If you specifically concerned with US laws go German: https://posteo.de/ is a good one to consider.

How exactly do privacy concerns "go away" when you start paying? Your email is still readable by a third party.

On the other hand, I can see trusting a paid provider more for reasons of stability, level of support (in case, say, I lose access to my account), and continued development (the Gmail webclient has been relatively stagnant for a while now).

Re: Ask HN: Self Hosted vs. Gmail / Outlook?

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Setting up your own email server will bring you into the wonderful world of big email corporations not delivering your emails until you subscribe to their whitelist with, for some of them, subscription fee.

Back in the time, I had this problem with sending emails from my private server to yahoo or microsoft (hotmail, live.com, etc...), both refusing to deliver my emails to their clients as I could be a potential evil spammer.

For the subscription fees, a few weeks ago I saw a price chart for about how much you have to pay them depending on your situation and how many emails you plan to send to their servers. Unfortunately I didn't find this page again.

I think the best option is to go for a paid service with a good privacy policy. It will cost you a lot less in time and probably in money. Also, they will probably be more reactive than you in case of problem, and more aware about security.

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post #16

Setting up your own email server will bring you into the wonderful world of big email corporations not delivering your emails until you subscribe to their whitelist with, for some of them, subscription fee. Back in the time, I had this problem with sending emails from my private server to yahoo or microsoft (hotmail, live.com, etc...), both refusing to deliver my emails to their clients as I could be a potential evil…

I've heard this before, but I have my own vanity domain, a well run mail server (postfix), and I I've never had a problem. I do support DKIM, SPF, DNSSEC, and of course I don't send spam.

I have heard that newly registered domains do have a period before they are trusted.

Re: Ask HN: Self Hosted vs. Gmail / Outlook?

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If you have concerns for privacy, find a paid service you trust.

Hosting an email server yourself is a great learning exercise but you'll be forever playing whack-a-mole with spam and wondering if your setup is actually properly secure and waiting for the day you get hacked.

I did this myself for a few years and at one point had very few deliverability problems, then one day out of the blue I ended up on a black list and started getting complaint emails. After that it was either rebuild on a new ip address and start again or choose a paid provider and move on, I did the latter and opted for Fastmail.

Re: Ask HN: Self Hosted vs. Gmail / Outlook?

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post #4

If you're concerned about privacy, don't use a free service. Pay for it and the privacy concern usually goes away. If you specifically concerned with US laws go German: https://posteo.de/ is a good one to consider.

Either way they're going to be digging through the emails. NSA and I think the US military is allowed to hack into any communication traversing boundaries between countries. And Germany is also part of the alliance of the many eyed spies. You're either going up against NSA/Military grade surveillance that feeds into FBI, DHS, CIA, etc... databases, or going up against "internal" politics and services that does the sa…

If your threat model includes NSA you're fucked.

For everything else, use Signal.

Re: Ask HN: Self Hosted vs. Gmail / Outlook?

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post #16

Setting up your own email server will bring you into the wonderful world of big email corporations not delivering your emails until you subscribe to their whitelist with, for some of them, subscription fee. Back in the time, I had this problem with sending emails from my private server to yahoo or microsoft (hotmail, live.com, etc...), both refusing to deliver my emails to their clients as I could be a potential evil…

I've heard this before, but I have my own vanity domain, a well run mail server (postfix), and I I've never had a problem. I do support DKIM, SPF, DNSSEC, and of course I don't send spam. I have heard that newly registered domains do have a period before they are trusted.

I can confirm that. It took me a while to get a sane mailserver setup, but eventually I don't have any troubles with Gmail/MS/Yahoo anymore.
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