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Why Germany Still Has So Many Middle-Class Manufacturing Jobs

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Re: Why Germany Still Has So Many Middle-Class Manufacturing Jobs

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I was surprised the article didn't mention the euro, specifically how Germany gets to denominate its goods in a cheap currency that doesn't fully reflect its strong fiscal policies.

The Mittelstand far predated the Euro; to my mind the Euro, if anything, favored the larger companies.

Re: Why Germany Still Has So Many Middle-Class Manufacturing Jobs

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> The high taxes on assets in France and the inheritance tax in the U.S. prevent the accumulation of capital necessary for the formation of a strong mid-sized sector.

I am surprised by this assertion. Allegedly family-managed firms can make long term decisions, but those observations are always subject to survivorship bias. At best I would think this issue marginal. (There's also a bias in the statement, as inheritance tax in the US is quite low and kicks in at a pretty high level).

I would think if anything the ability to inherit reduces the likihood of outside ideas.

(And anyway, in a republic, inheritance is abhorrent. We don't need another aristocracy.)

Re: Why Germany Still Has So Many Middle-Class Manufacturing Jobs

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Because German engineering is world-renowned. This much has been known for a good long while. You can take a German bearing of 'low quality' vs. a Chinese bearing of 'high quality' and easily tell that the German bearing is far superior. It only makes sense such engineering capability would result in a lot of manufacturing work in the middle-class range.

You can also get real high quality bearings made in China, but they will not be as cheap, and you will have to verify that you are getting what you asked for.

Re: Why Germany Still Has So Many Middle-Class Manufacturing Jobs

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post #6

I'd like to think it's because WW2 changed us, for the better. We just want to build great things now and help everyone and not only ourselves. We respect others, independent of race or nationality, and it think we're much less superficial than some other countries are. But that holds true for most European countries so IDK, maybe I'm simplifying it too much right now. It just feels that way to me.

German culture is older than ww1/2. The german respect for labour predates the 20th century. So too in japan. Some like to think of modern japan and germany as only a product of post-ww2 development programs, but that denies the long history of these great nations. That they were able to participate in ww1/2 demonstrates thier success prior to that conflict. (Imho ww1 and ww2 should be read as one historical narrative.)

Re: Why Germany Still Has So Many Middle-Class Manufacturing Jobs

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You could make the argument that the Mittelstand has profited from Germany's controlling stake and dominance in the EU. One of the big arguments for non German businesses seeking to leave the EU have been perceptions of unfair EU bureaucratic advantage to German businesses at the expense of other member states. Having said that they have a very good national business model and an excellent culture around vocational t…

Yes. They are insulated by EU trade tariffs on goods external to the EU. Combine that with the most efficient factories in the EU. They get to provide things that can still beat China after considering the tariffs.

In other words, trade barriers strengthened the middle class.

Re: Why Germany Still Has So Many Middle-Class Manufacturing Jobs

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post #12

> The high taxes on assets in France and the inheritance tax in the U.S. prevent the accumulation of capital necessary for the formation of a strong mid-sized sector. I am surprised by this assertion. Allegedly family-managed firms can make long term decisions, but those observations are always subject to survivorship bias. At best I would think this issue marginal. (There's also a bias in the statement, as inheritan…

And so only the rich inherit... as over time banks and other businesses figure out how to take away all the income from the middle class. then the higher business class which has huge amounts of capital moves it overseas to generate greater returns. the country hollows out. Something very similar happens in third world countries. To do any sort of real business you need capital. If you don't have it you are in no position to actually do any sort of real business or even try.

Re: Why Germany Still Has So Many Middle-Class Manufacturing Jobs

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Because German engineering is world-renowned. This much has been known for a good long while. You can take a German bearing of 'low quality' vs. a Chinese bearing of 'high quality' and easily tell that the German bearing is far superior. It only makes sense such engineering capability would result in a lot of manufacturing work in the middle-class range.

On the other hand German cars have one of the worst reliability scores year after year.

Re: Why Germany Still Has So Many Middle-Class Manufacturing Jobs

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post #12

> The high taxes on assets in France and the inheritance tax in the U.S. prevent the accumulation of capital necessary for the formation of a strong mid-sized sector. I am surprised by this assertion. Allegedly family-managed firms can make long term decisions, but those observations are always subject to survivorship bias. At best I would think this issue marginal. (There's also a bias in the statement, as inheritan…

You don't have to hedge, that comment about inheritance tax is literally ridiculous and completely unsupported. The idea that the US has a problem with too little accumulation of intergenerational wealth is patent nonsense.
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