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Re: Root – Programmable bank account for software developers

#261

This will be interesting to watch. I'm hoping they have sandbox accounts!

Hey @baconomatic, founder here - we do have a sandbox built in so that you can test your scripts/programs first before running letting it touch your real money :)

Awesome! I was half kidding, because I would definitely have a typo and send my money who knows where.

Re: Root – Programmable bank account for software developers

#262

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> It's easy to say that "Slack solves the problem of centralized team communication" or "eBay and Etsy help everyday people collect money off their trinkets, crafts, or useless old clothes". I would also say that if you'd told people about those problems thirty years ago, people might have responded 'but I can already communicate with my team using a conference call' and 'I can already sell items through the classifi…

Generally people think something's "broken" when they commission an app like Slack - whether it's UX, speed, price point, poor efficiency broadly... I mean, hell, what new inventions aren't done in the name of efficiency? It's a motivating factor for almost everything people in business do. As such, this seems like splitting hairs to me.

A very common criticism of new things is that they don't do anything new. I'm saying that "mere efficiency improvements" matter more than is commonly thought by people encountering something new.

Re: Root – Programmable bank account for software developers

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People asking about what problem this solves haven't been to South Africa or Zimbabwe which in some ways are ahead of the West in creating cashless societies. The biggest bank is a phone operator and people can send each other money over the phone and from what I understand this is very common. Also interestingly most phones aren't smart phones. It's mostly analog. Banks have a serious incentive to create and encoura…

"ahead of the West" Ahem, ahead of the US, really. Canada and the EU can be cashless already, with chip cards and direct bank withdrawal at the POS a reality for 99.99% of merchants.

Acknowledge that not using cash places is "advanced" but also want to say that being able to use cash is not necessarily a bad thing. Cash allows for anonymity, allows for the un-banked to conduct their business, and prevents 100% leverage of your transactions data (not to mention transaction fees) by the companies that handle them.

Re: Root – Programmable bank account for software developers

#264

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Random question but it really bugs me that FNB and I think most other South African banks still use SMS/Email based secondary authentication OTPs. Are you guys planning on using TOTP by any chance?

Hey spookyuser, yeah we do, i.e. Authy/Google Authenticator supported :)

Yay, thanks!

Re: Root – Programmable bank account for software developers

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People asking about what problem this solves haven't been to South Africa or Zimbabwe which in some ways are ahead of the West in creating cashless societies. The biggest bank is a phone operator and people can send each other money over the phone and from what I understand this is very common. Also interestingly most phones aren't smart phones. It's mostly analog. Banks have a serious incentive to create and encoura…

Let me counter with these facts about banking in South Africa: 1. Fees at most banks are high. (A basic account with no transactions typically have fees of several dollar per month). 2. If people are moving away from physical cash, its because of security concerns (theft and robbery), not liquidity. 3. Most transactions are done by credit card, debit order or Electronic Fund Transfer (EFT). EFTs are done between numb…

Regarding # 4. This product is by one the current largest banks in South Africa. Standard Bank of South Africa is big in S.A and operates in many other African countries.

Re: Root – Programmable bank account for software developers

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Wasn't their example all about limiting the number of rides you can take? So at that point, you'd eventually be denying them, as I understand it.

> Uber card: Let’s say you give your daughter R500 pocket money each month, but you’re worried she might run out of money and be unable to afford an Uber home. So you write a little code and give her a Root card that a) gives her a limit of R500 per month, and b) lets her take as many Uber rides as she needs (enabling her to spend beyond the R500, but only for Uber) That's the one I was thinking of, note the "lets he…

Then the daughter trades Uber rides for cash.. (you can order an Uber to give a friend a ride without you needing to be in the car yourself).

I kid, the possibility of putting spending rules as code is neat.

Re: Root – Programmable bank account for software developers

#267

At first I was wondering what I could possibly use this for, but as I sat and thought about it, I realized the possibilities are enormous. I'd like to know if the following are possible: 1. Forcing me to stay on budget, unless there's an emergency (perhaps allow purchases over budget after the third attempt). 2. Automatically distribute paychecks or other income into different accounts (some to retirement, some to sa…

5. Due to a bug in _your_ code, accidentally have your mortgage payments bounce because of lack of funds, and get evicted from your home.

With great power comes great responsibility. The number of times you say 'perhaps', 'unless', 'so if', or 'could' is so high that you would have to thoroughly review your code before trusting it.

Re: Root – Programmable bank account for software developers

#269

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Generally people think something's "broken" when they commission an app like Slack - whether it's UX, speed, price point, poor efficiency broadly... I mean, hell, what new inventions aren't done in the name of efficiency? It's a motivating factor for almost everything people in business do. As such, this seems like splitting hairs to me.

A very common criticism of new things is that they don't do anything new. I'm saying that "mere efficiency improvements" matter more than is commonly thought by people encountering something new.

Hmm. I'll need to think about this one. I can see what you're saying... It's probably true but it definitely messes with my (and everyone's) tendency to see history as a series of monolithic happenings.

Re: Root – Programmable bank account for software developers

#270
> Powered by Standard Bank South Africa

Doesn't give me much confidence. Allgedly hacked & involved in a fraud case [1] [2]

[1] http://city-press.news24.com/Business/standard-bank-r300m-fr...

[2] https://businesstech.co.za/news/mobile/170629/major-sa-banks...

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