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Re: Ask HN: Do you regret taking investment?

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In many cases, there simply aren't many good alternatives. I'll illustrate with our (flair.co's) example. FYI we are a hw/sw play. Why Not KS/Indiegogo We are building a product that has a large b2b angle and while the b2c angle is perhaps substantial enough that Kickstarter and Indiegogo could work, they have big enough draw backs that we decided to forgo. Specifically, it forces you to share your idea (AND its popu…

Great insights. Given the investment in time and money required to simply get to prototype, how did you develop the conviction to plunge ahead into the business at the outset?

Re: Ask HN: Do you regret taking investment?

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I regret not taking it. Hummer-Winblad really wanted to give us some money but I couldn't figure out what they brought to the table. In retrospect, it was marketing, the money could have paid for marketing. And because they were invested they would have insisted on marketing. Did I mention we needed some marketing? We really needed some marketing. So, while it's very common to ask about taking investment, also look h…

Interesting -- what company was this for? Maybe you can market it on HN :)

Re: Ask HN: Do you regret taking investment?

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I regret not taking it. Hummer-Winblad really wanted to give us some money but I couldn't figure out what they brought to the table. In retrospect, it was marketing, the money could have paid for marketing. And because they were invested they would have insisted on marketing. Did I mention we needed some marketing? We really needed some marketing. So, while it's very common to ask about taking investment, also look h…

This is a problem that a lot of engineering types fall into. We as technical people think that the best technology will win, but that's not true. The best technology that the most people have heard of for the most reasonable price will win.

Re: Ask HN: Do you regret taking investment?

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I worked at a company that was almost entirely bootstrapped, and honestly I think it was for the worse. When they had early momentum, they could have raised money but chose not to. It was an okay choice at the time, and the founders were rightfully proud of this -- that they'd grown as a profitable company on their own.

But when things got leaner, they didn't have a reserve of cash to use, nor did they have the accountability or advisory capacity of investors to help them out. And when things were lean, they didn't have the momentum to raise money any longer, just a 'lifestyle' business's revenue which isn't very exciting to VCs.

Just my personal, uninformed, opinion. And while it's clear to me that not raising money was a mistake, that's only with hindsight.

Re: Ask HN: Do you regret taking investment?

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In the Canadian prairies, it took so long to raise funding that the overhead wasn't worth the time. We travelled elsewhere but got little interest because we weren't local. Joining a remote accelerator helped but by that time we were behind in the market.

Prairie funding is changing pretty quickly, at least here in SK. We don't really focus on getting SK-money, but we've had great funding and interest from Toronto, Chicago and some Valley funding. Locality didn't matter to any of our investors as much as what the plan and growth strategies are.

Re: Ask HN: Do you regret taking investment?

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In many cases, there simply aren't many good alternatives. I'll illustrate with our (flair.co's) example. FYI we are a hw/sw play. Why Not KS/Indiegogo We are building a product that has a large b2b angle and while the b2c angle is perhaps substantial enough that Kickstarter and Indiegogo could work, they have big enough draw backs that we decided to forgo. Specifically, it forces you to share your idea (AND its popu…

Very good comment, thank you.

You are exactly correct on the tooling costs, except there is no limit to the high end. Ford might spend many millions on tooling for a new car at the extreme end of the scale, for example. I think all tool and die makers are way to used to saying "$10,000 and up" anytime you ask them about die costs.

We often employ ghetto-tools when doing small runs. This means a tool carved out of cheap A36 steel that will only last a few hundred uses, or layers cut out on the laser and stacked up to make functional-but-ugly tool. Tools like this can be made from scrap laying around and some machine time - essentialy free since the costs were already sunk. Its a great way to see if an idea will work, or to make something in small runs of 10 or 50. A $10,000 tooling cost is non-starting if the total sales expected is measured in a few thousand dollars.

This is why flexible tools like laser cutters are so popular. No special tooling to buy, the laser does it all. The high price of tool and die making has put most of those shops out of business or moved it offshore to Asia. What little we do for my company we do inhouse now. The problem with a laser is that everything starts to look too much 2D and too boring. "When everything is a hammer ..."

Flair.co looks like neat stuff. I should count how many I need for my old house that is always the wrong temperature somewhere, with two heat/ac systems and Arizona weather :)

Re: Ask HN: Do you regret taking investment?

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I don't regret it, but at the same time I no longer buy the peer pressure to fundraise for startups anymore and I see a lot of bias and hidden motives in the system. I think we're going to see a lot more majorly successful bootstrapped tech companies in the future (at least until a much later stage than Seed or typical A/B). So, I think the current system is perhaps suboptimal.

Also, many go into business to not have bosses, and having a board and investors can often feel like that even if that feeling is just self-inflicted. So, stick to your values if that's something you know you really want, and don't feel bad about it.

Re: Ask HN: Do you regret taking investment?

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I've been through a few startups and in all of them I've been within the first 15 or so employees, some of them took on hundreds of millions in VC funding. I regret instances where we took on too much funding, or in instances we took on funding without a good investment strategy for the capital we raised. In the startup I am running today we have taken on about $1.5MM from Samsung, Fontinalis, Story Ventures and a fe…

That's a very helpful walk through, thank you.

I'm very naive about this and would appreciate any more thoughts - If you hit a sustained 20% net profitability with just this funding, would you be able to avoid raising more? Would investors demand an exit, and in what time-frames, and is it feasible to pay it out from your profits?

Essentially my question is whether you would be forced to keep raising the stakes for your business, and if so, till what point?

Re: Ask HN: Do you regret taking investment?

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I regret not taking it. Hummer-Winblad really wanted to give us some money but I couldn't figure out what they brought to the table. In retrospect, it was marketing, the money could have paid for marketing. And because they were invested they would have insisted on marketing. Did I mention we needed some marketing? We really needed some marketing. So, while it's very common to ask about taking investment, also look h…

I find it interesting that this is the first answer, so I started an alternate Ask HN: Do you regret not taking investment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14258278
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