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A Look Inside Airbus’s Alabama Assembly Line

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Re: A Look Inside Airbus’s Alabama Assembly Line

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This was the most striking part to me: "According to The Seattle Times, the starting rate at the Airbus plant, about $16.50 per hour, is comparable to the starting wages at Boeing’s passenger-plane plant in Renton, Wash. But the Airbus pay scale tops out at $23 an hour, while experienced Boeing workers can earn $45." We now have so much surplus labor that even this relatively skilled job only pays $16.50 an hour.

And we are all talking about globalization being the culprit which to me is a huge distraction from the actual problem: automation. I wonder if it's not a bigger part of the national debate because it would require politics to say that currently unemployed likely will remain not needed and call for something like basic income guarantee which is in essence a gateway to something very similar to communism.

> a gateway to something very similar to communism.

At least it would be explicit. Western economies tend to have income redistribution in various forms anyway. It just gets mixed up in tax rates, tax credits, service subsidies and entitlements. People have little idea what the flows of money really look like.

Re: A Look Inside Airbus’s Alabama Assembly Line

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Payroll is a terrible number to look at to estimate if automation is worth doing. Automation provides ancillary benefits which are often more important than simply replacing people. For example automation can provide increased consistency (perhaps reducing human error?) for some tasks it can do the work faster. Sometimes automating things allows a company to do that thing more often. There's a bunch of reasons to aut…

Who maintains the robots? Precision equipment needs to maintain calibration, so who does that work? More robots? Is it robots all the way down?

Ultimately, I think this is where we are going to end up. Humans will mostly exist for analyzing trends in the market and to improve optimize automation. Almost all manual labor will be eliminated.

Re: A Look Inside Airbus’s Alabama Assembly Line

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post #31

This was the most striking part to me: "According to The Seattle Times, the starting rate at the Airbus plant, about $16.50 per hour, is comparable to the starting wages at Boeing’s passenger-plane plant in Renton, Wash. But the Airbus pay scale tops out at $23 an hour, while experienced Boeing workers can earn $45." We now have so much surplus labor that even this relatively skilled job only pays $16.50 an hour.

You're overestimating both the level of skill required to start and the cost of living in Alabama. Alabama is CHEAP, and taxes are very low.

8th lowest CoL in the USA and a pretty great place to live. Glad to call Birmingham my home.

Re: A Look Inside Airbus’s Alabama Assembly Line

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I'm disappointed American Airlines don't buy all Boeing planes, especially given their name. Although Airbus planes do have some American parts on them, they're mostly European. Considering they got USD$15 Billion in bailout money from the US Government, and just how good Boeing planes are at a very similar price point, supporting manufacturing in their country of origin seems like the right thing to do.

> supporting manufacturing in their country of origin seems like the right thing to do

Where do you think Mobile, Alabama is?

Re: A Look Inside Airbus’s Alabama Assembly Line

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post #31

This was the most striking part to me: "According to The Seattle Times, the starting rate at the Airbus plant, about $16.50 per hour, is comparable to the starting wages at Boeing’s passenger-plane plant in Renton, Wash. But the Airbus pay scale tops out at $23 an hour, while experienced Boeing workers can earn $45." We now have so much surplus labor that even this relatively skilled job only pays $16.50 an hour.

The cost of living matters just as much as your wage in quality of life.

Here's[0] a 3 bedroom, 2 bath home for 170k within 4 miles of the plant

and here's[1] an even less expensive one under 5 miles from the plant

If you look at the rental market, you can get apartments and small single family homes from around $300 per bedroom

[0]https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/307-Michigan-Ave-Mobile-A... [1]https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/210-Mohawk-St-Mobile-AL-3...

Re: A Look Inside Airbus’s Alabama Assembly Line

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post #31

This was the most striking part to me: "According to The Seattle Times, the starting rate at the Airbus plant, about $16.50 per hour, is comparable to the starting wages at Boeing’s passenger-plane plant in Renton, Wash. But the Airbus pay scale tops out at $23 an hour, while experienced Boeing workers can earn $45." We now have so much surplus labor that even this relatively skilled job only pays $16.50 an hour.

They are hiring unskilled people who are paid during their training.

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Re: A Look Inside Airbus’s Alabama Assembly Line

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I'm disappointed American Airlines don't buy all Boeing planes, especially given their name. Although Airbus planes do have some American parts on them, they're mostly European. Considering they got USD$15 Billion in bailout money from the US Government, and just how good Boeing planes are at a very similar price point, supporting manufacturing in their country of origin seems like the right thing to do.

How do you think Boeing then will sell a single aircraft in Europe?

Re: A Look Inside Airbus’s Alabama Assembly Line

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post #31

This was the most striking part to me: "According to The Seattle Times, the starting rate at the Airbus plant, about $16.50 per hour, is comparable to the starting wages at Boeing’s passenger-plane plant in Renton, Wash. But the Airbus pay scale tops out at $23 an hour, while experienced Boeing workers can earn $45." We now have so much surplus labor that even this relatively skilled job only pays $16.50 an hour.

The person who makes $16.50 an hour probably costs near $25 an hour. Cash payroll doesn't include employee benefits, including medical, dental, other insurance, paid time off, bonuses, and company share of payroll taxes. It's not unreasonable to estimate the entry level jobs pay about $26,000 a year in cash, and another $10,000 a year in benefits, for a total of around $36,000 a year. In Alabama.

You can't have a discussion about pay levels without accounting for total compensation. These are good jobs that pay well given it's an employer trained position that unskilled laborers could get.

Re: A Look Inside Airbus’s Alabama Assembly Line

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's like this due to political reasons, nothing to do with eficiency.

Surprisingly, there was a report a few years ago that the distributed nature of Airbus also was more efficient. But yeah, it's mainly for political reasons.

Pretty sure that report was for political reasons as well.
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