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International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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post #189

I really can't believe all the negativity here towards traveling to the US. You're taking a few admittedly awful anecdotes, and turning them into giant statistics about the country. You know that thought experiment where you have scientists debating global warming, but to make it clear just how much consensus there is, instead of having 1 scientist against and 1 pro, you have 1 against and a whole crowd pro? I run th…

Failures are an important part of judging a system. So of course they get outsize attention.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

#252
post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contrast this with my employer's advice: cooperate fully with the authorities, our lawyers can and will defend the company, we are more concerned about your safety. Telling people to work travel and then telling them to not bring work data seems like you should have told them not to travel at all?

Retracted. Misread the article. Apologies.

I think you're being deliberately obtuse and argumentative. I never mentioned personal time travel. The context is an article telling people not to bring work data with them when traveling for work/professional functions.

If you're traveling for work, and your company can't guarantee your safe and reasonably comfortable travel to that destination in a work capacity -- they should recommend you not go.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

#253
post #129

Most of the posts on here are ridiculous. People saying they are not going on holiday to the USA because it's too much of a pain. Seriously. We applied online for the visa thing. It took under 5 minutes. Then at the airport we queued up at immigration for around 10 minutes. We showed our passport and answered one question about purpose of visit, and they waved us though. This is the experience of 99.9% of those who v…

What country are you from? That is not the experience for people from my country (Uruguay, Latin America), nor for any of the high population countries, and it is highlighted in this article.

I applied for (and was granted) an U.S. visitor (B-1) visa last month, it was very expensive, I had to fill out a form that took significantly more than 5 minutes (several hours because I had to contact family members for details), and I had to schedule an in-person interview where they (very politely) cross checked most of what I wrote in the visa form, and were very detailed in the questions.

That's why the article says "If your country does not participate in the Visa Waiver Program or you are not eligible for an ESTA, you'll need to apply for a B-1 business visitor visa… the long way."

"We'll work with you through this process. Start early, as soon as we have dates for a meetup or conference. Visa appointments and processing can take weeks to months."

That directly contradicts your claim (and matches my experience).

I still haven't flown to the U.S., but those in my family who have, experienced multi-hour delays (my mother lost her flight in Boston only last month due to 2 hours in the immigration queue), most of my family members have been set aside for in-depth questioning at least once, etc.

I do know some Europeans have a very different experience (those under ESTA), but I'm not certain your saying "the experience of 99.9% of those who visit" is correct.

You might notice that none of the highly populated countries (China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, Pakistan, Nigeria, Bangladesh, Russia and Mexico) are in this list:

http://www.esta.us/visa_waiver_countries.html

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

#254
post #170
post #77

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It hasn't happened to me, but when I go to the US embassy in France they take my phone for the entire time I'm waiting there.

The US Embassies in the Netherlands explicitely disallow you from bringing most electronics* and they say they are unable to store things for you. https://nl.usembassy.gov/embassy-consulates/amsterdam/access... *It used to be no electronics, but now you are apparently allowed to bring a mobile phone provided you turn off Bluetooth.

The US Embassy in Paris did refuse to let me in with my laptop. I had to run everywhere to find a place that accepted to keep my laptop for me :/ you definitely get a reality check as soon as you enter the Visa process with the US.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

#255
post #7

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any reason for extra security check, are you white man?

No I don't believe so. I estimate that 1/3 was selected. I am whiter than snow.

that somehow contradict the other guy who posted that 99.9% are smooth without extra check and now you dump here 33% checked :) that seem fairly big even to me, can't imagine what European country would deserve such percentage, were you departing from Brussels or Istanbul?

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

#256

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The majority of US citizens did not vote for Trump. Just thought I'd point out that most people DO NOT want this president.

He won according to the system that's been in place for 100-200 years. You don't get to support it until it works against you and then complain about it.

The electoral college system has obviously been a terrible idea for years. Plenty of people also vocally complained about it in 2000, for example.

But changing it requires changing the Constitution, which requires a supermajority of state legislatures—and the electoral college shifts power from citizens and the federal government to states.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

#257

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Lying to them is a serious criminal offense carrying (IIRC) up to 5 years in prison. Even a harmless fib counts.

But I am not lying, I dont have facebook, or twitter or snapchat. How do I prove I dont have these accounts? What if I do have a FB account that i signed up for years ago, never use, forgot to delete, dont know the password for? Do I get a stay in prison for that?

No, his point is that if you are lying they have an instrument to use against you. Similar to how they got Al Capone, where they didn't have to go through the trouble of having to prove his actual crimes in court.

It isn't about you individually, it's about big numbers, statistics. It's just an additional tool in their arsenal. Similar to why doctors perform standard exams even when you come in and complain about something where that particular exam seems ridiculously wrong. The procedures are not invented new each time for every person, they are based on what works "statistically". On that level they found that in (some low) x percent of cases having such a signature helps, so they include that question. And occasionally they even catch someone gullible to, or who can't manage their emotions, but that's just an additional bonus and not even the main reason for the question(s).

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

#258

Why can't US adopt Israel's border control practices? Going in and out of Israel is a breeze. Sure, it's strict, as it should be, but you never feel harassed or worse. And surely their problem with terrorism is equal if not larger than that of US.

The part you don't understand is that the US "border control" is about security theatre and not actual security.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

#259
post #96

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Recall that these are instructions to employees – the company's first obligation is to protect the company, not the employees. Wiping work data is simply a means of limiting liability. Should sensitive data leak out due to a laptop getting seized at the border that's a lot more serious to the company than if your nudes were stolen.

Contrast this with my employer's advice: cooperate fully with the authorities, our lawyers can and will defend the company, we are more concerned about your safety. Telling people to work travel and then telling them to not bring work data seems like you should have told them not to travel at all?

I don't think Basecamp's advice is telling people not to cooperate fully with authorities for the sake of your safety - it's merely noting that there's a significant risk of loss of control of valuable or sensitive commercial information in such interactions that can be mitigated.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

#260
post #170
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It hasn't happened to me, but when I go to the US embassy in France they take my phone for the entire time I'm waiting there.

The US Embassies in the Netherlands explicitely disallow you from bringing most electronics* and they say they are unable to store things for you. https://nl.usembassy.gov/embassy-consulates/amsterdam/access... *It used to be no electronics, but now you are apparently allowed to bring a mobile phone provided you turn off Bluetooth.

The USA consulate in Rio de Janeiro is also like that. Of course, it's become a business opportunity: right next to the queue outside the consulate, there are several people who offer to store your electronics, for a price.

Contrast with for instance the Germany and France consulates a few blocks over (they're in a single building), where as far as I know no such rule exists.

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