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Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by laGrenouille »

microtonal wrote: post #74
klausjensen wrote: post #71

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Technically, only ~57% of eligible voters actually voted. Of those, about half voted for Trump. So only about 27% of all eligible voters actually voted for Trump. That is pretty standard for a US presidential election. Those are the rules for democracy, so he is the legitimately elected president. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/10/13587462/...

So only about 27% of all eligible voters actually voted for Trump. The remaining 43% voted for 'I'll take whoever wins'. So, ~72% of the eligible voters can be held accountable for him becoming president. Those are the rules for democracy, so he is the legitimately elected president. Definitely, it is legitimate, even if we don't like the outcome ;).

Not really a fair statement given the oddities of the electoral college. I know a lot of people in big coastal cities (New York, Boston, LA, San Fransisco, Seattle) who don't vote but are very anti-Trump. They know it doesn't matter because their states were always going to go strongly for the Democrats.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by ItendToDisagree »

microtonal wrote: post #72
ItendToDisagree wrote: post #53

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The majority of US citizens did not vote for Trump. Just thought I'd point out that most people DO NOT want this president.

Thanks for bringing up, since it is a relevant point. However, it still does not change the fact that he is now leading the most powerful nation, with all its consequences. I have always wondered how hard it would be to switch to direct voting rather as opposed to the system with an electoral college. Is it impossible because the current system is codified in the constitution, or does it 'only' require an amendment.…

Parliamentary representation and more than two parties would fix things up a treat.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by keithpeter »

klausjensen wrote: post #71
bkor wrote: post #63

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Around half did want him? That's a significant of people to me, no matter if they have the majority or not.

Technically, only ~57% of eligible voters actually voted. Of those, about half voted for Trump. So only about 27% of all eligible voters actually voted for Trump. That is pretty standard for a US presidential election. Those are the rules for democracy, so he is the legitimately elected president. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/10/13587462/...

"Those are the rules for democracy, so he is the legitimately elected president."

Absolutely according to the rules in force in the USA. Other countries have different rules, and I don't think that there is some set of unique 'best rules' for this.

UK tomorrow many of us are voting for the mayors of 'combined authorities'. The voting paper has two columns for each candidate and you get to state a first preference and a second preference - they call it the supplimentary voting system

https://www.wmcaelects.co.uk/frequently-asked-questions/

It will be 'interesting' to see how this one works in an election that noone especially wanted and that traditionally has a very low turnout - but at least we are trying different approaches.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by TheArcane »

krtkush wrote: post #36
collyw wrote: post #31

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The UK seems to be trying its hardest to catch up.

India is going further and beyond[1]. [1] http://www.firstpost.com/india/aadhaar-mandatory-citizens-do...

This right wing wave is agaibst globalization. What do you expect?

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by bogle »

sgift wrote: post #84
deathhand wrote: post #35

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I think the 'owners' don't believe at-home work can scale properly. Given a population a subset of humans will always try to beat the system. The 'butt in seats' mentality is believed to curtail that system cheating behavior.

The idea that a seat in the butt somehow would be a good deterrent against people 'cheating' the system always sounded amusing to me. One would think that companies have some way to measure someones work that's better than "Was he here for at least x hours? Yeah? Great, job done."

I've been contracting for the last 15 years and the lack of remote working means I have to do a lot less work! If the bosses are measuring your productivity on just being there then fine, they're idiots and I've no qualms about doing as I please with my time.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by ItendToDisagree »

tomp wrote: post #73
ItendToDisagree wrote: post #53

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The majority of US citizens did not vote for Trump. Just thought I'd point out that most people DO NOT want this president.

Due to the electoral college system, correlation between "voting for Trump" and "wanting Trump as a president" isn't 100%, so you I'm not sure you can make strong conclusions based on 2.2% difference in popular vote.

Yet... Depending on how the rules of the game work the outcomes are totally different. Worth pointing out.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by Jare »

ItendToDisagree wrote: post #53
microtonal wrote: post #45

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We had serious plans to go on holiday to the US this year. I have been in the US at least a dozen of times, and absolutely love the desert states, Oregon, and Washington. Entering the US was already a large hassle, but with Trump's travel bans, rumors of phone, laptop, and social media checks, we have decided to postpone our travel plans until the political/security climate improves. Semi-related: we were in the mark…

The majority of US citizens did not vote for Trump. Just thought I'd point out that most people DO NOT want this president.

You could say that ~70% of the voters did not try to prevent him becoming president.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by sgift »

laGrenouille wrote: post #101
microtonal wrote: post #74

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So only about 27% of all eligible voters actually voted for Trump. The remaining 43% voted for 'I'll take whoever wins'. So, ~72% of the eligible voters can be held accountable for him becoming president. Those are the rules for democracy, so he is the legitimately elected president. Definitely, it is legitimate, even if we don't like the outcome ;).

Not really a fair statement given the oddities of the electoral college. I know a lot of people in big coastal cities (New York, Boston, LA, San Fransisco, Seattle) who don't vote but are very anti-Trump. They know it doesn't matter because their states were always going to go strongly for the Democrats.

I'm not from the U.S., so my knowledge here is a bit sketchy, but wasn't one of the problems Clinton had exactly that some states which always voted for the Democrats fell to the Republicans this time?

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by Markoff »

raftaa wrote: post #21
Markoff wrote: post #14

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maybe just stop traveling to US would be easier and cheaper solution, why one need to be physically present anywhere in 2017? i find it odd, i can understand it for my father that when some of his agricultural company partners has training, people from neighboring countries must travel there for hours to stay there for few hours and go back, but IT company in 2017? reminds me of Huawei which is still organizing telec…

Because the costumer wants some of the developers on site to see that they are actually working on his problems.

shouldn't customer care about results instead of how they are delivered?
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