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Re: Dell's list of why to buy one with Ubuntu

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I'm as big a fan of Ubuntu as anyone, and I'm glad to see Dell supporting a MS alternative. However, the absence of a fully supported Linux version of iTunes prevents me from adopting Ubuntu as my primary operating system.

Have you tried the new Ubuntu One Music store? It's not bad to start with and is rapidly improving. Plus offers cool features like cloud storage of your music collection (ultra-portable, take your music wherever you go).

Re: Dell's list of why to buy one with Ubuntu

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Is Microsoft still subsidizing windows to meet linux system price points? I bought an Ubuntu loaded HPMini9 and saved about one hundred dollars over the windows version. That's the real value in my opinion. Not just at the sale but the investment in linux familiarity means a free(as in beer) alternative becomes usable going into the future. My main PC has seen 2 windows versions so far, both paid for.

The problem is a lot of companies pay the manufacturers like Dell, HP to load on software. Google have done this, Real, and lots of less scrupulous players. So it may actually make the computer cheaper with Windows than Linux. Of course, another reason to get Linux, unless you intend to re-install windows. This does suck if you want to not give any money to Microsoft. I am pretty sure Microsoft don't charge $100 for…

I believe Microsoft charges OEMs $15 for XP and $50 for whichever edition of 7 which goes on netbooks. Though it wouldn't supprise me if larger vendors had a little negotiation room. Also, security companies like Mcaffee and Symatec also pay OEMs a lot to bundle their trials.

Re: Dell's list of why to buy one with Ubuntu

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not an expert on windows security, but the traditional answer is the fundamental user handling in Unix solves a lot of problems. I admit ignorance to the validity of the claim, a detailed comparison would be appreciated.

Please forgive any errors here: Windows has never been my primary OS. Windows NT has had users and permissions providing similar functionality to what Unix offers for a very long time[0]. NT ACLs have actually been more sophisticated than standard Unix permissions for at least ten years. The problem on Windows is the defaults and the behavior of third-party developers. Windows developers worked for a long time with t…

Have you ever tried to use Windows as a limited user? It's a nightmare. It's "supported" but I can't imagine they actually expect people to use it that way.

Why is the first account you create an admin account by default. If they wanted the use-case that you imply is supported, they would have you create an administrator account and then would ask you to create a regular user to use day-to-day.

Or they would more fully embrace the su/sudo routine that linux uses.

Re: Dell's list of why to buy one with Ubuntu

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please forgive any errors here: Windows has never been my primary OS. Windows NT has had users and permissions providing similar functionality to what Unix offers for a very long time[0]. NT ACLs have actually been more sophisticated than standard Unix permissions for at least ten years. The problem on Windows is the defaults and the behavior of third-party developers. Windows developers worked for a long time with t…

Have you ever tried to use Windows as a limited user? It's a nightmare. It's "supported" but I can't imagine they actually expect people to use it that way. Why is the first account you create an admin account by default. If they wanted the use-case that you imply is supported, they would have you create an administrator account and then would ask you to create a regular user to use day-to-day. Or they would more ful…

Re-read the comment you replied to. You haven't addressed it at all.

Edit: Also, UAC is basically sudo.

Re: Dell's list of why to buy one with Ubuntu

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever tried to use Windows as a limited user? It's a nightmare. It's "supported" but I can't imagine they actually expect people to use it that way. Why is the first account you create an admin account by default. If they wanted the use-case that you imply is supported, they would have you create an administrator account and then would ask you to create a regular user to use day-to-day. Or they would more ful…

Re-read the comment you replied to. You haven't addressed it at all. Edit: Also, UAC is basically sudo.

Really? Windows 7 still makes users Admins by default, doesn't warn you against it. Single limited users are still restricted to the point of in-usability requiring the the UI and all apps run at administrator level, defeating any security principles.

UAC is defective from the standpoint that every school and corporation I've been at disable it, and those that done click Accept every time without reading or considering what they're clicking on. I understand this is partly a user problem, but damn, I'll do one tiny thing before remembering to disable it and I have to Accept 30 things before I'm done.

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