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Re: Red Hat OpenShift.io – Free, end-to-end, cloud-native development

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Post by jacques_chester »

jldugger wrote: post #37
shadowmint wrote: post #25

So... it's like a poorly explained PaaS which is: - An IDE - A platform for running containers - A set of productivity and collaboration tools - CI service - Deployment tools ...all in one? Really? I'm scratching my head over this one. I really respect the work RedHat do, but there's this idea of picking one thing and doing it well... but heck, I mean, you can also just do everything as well, and hope one bit or anot…

Last I checked, OpenShift was comparable to Heroku.

Not quite. OpenShift 3 is oriented around containers as the unit of deployment and operations. Heroku pioneered the buildpacks model.

I believe OpenShift has a buildpack-like onramp now, I am not qualified to name it or describe it.

Deis takes the Heroku buildpacks from upstream and so is more-or-less plug compatible with Heroku. Cloud Foundry does something similar, though with extra wrapping to allow it to work smoothly in disconnected environments. Some of those buildpacks are being rewritten, but I expect they'd be compatible with Deis too.

Disclosure: I work on Cloud Foundry for Pivotal. I've been on CF Buildpacks twice.

Re: Red Hat OpenShift.io – Free, end-to-end, cloud-native development

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Post by jacques_chester »

nul_byte wrote: post #87
ausjke wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By the way, my 2017 wildest forecast: Microsoft may acquire Redhat

There is more chance of the pope converting to Islam, then MS acquiring Red Hat. That is one acquisition that would turn to shit over night, and MS would be left with just some logos, as the companies main assets (its engineering) would all walk out the door, followed by customers not renewing subscriptions.

The Microsoft and Red Hat subscriber bases would have massive overlap.

Re: Red Hat OpenShift.io – Free, end-to-end, cloud-native development

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Post by jacques_chester »

TylerJewell wrote: post #81
toddmorey wrote: post #42

I wonder if there's a name for this: that impatience and discomfort you feel about anything new until you understand what it is exactly and what to compare it to. Until that question is answered, you have ZERO patience for any marketing you read: especially fluffy visionary commentary about "digital transformation". You are quite literally making your readers angry because you are not answering their questions. For a…

Hi @toddmorey - I am founder / CEO of Codenvy. Eclipse Che is our open source kernel and we had the opportunity to collaborate intimately with Red Hat's engineering teams in the design and development of OpenShift.io. Let me share some of the perspective that we have on what they are building. What happens if your app dev lifecycle tools (git, issue management, IDE, CI / pipeline) runs on the same platform that is ru…

This is really neat.

Re: Red Hat OpenShift.io – Free, end-to-end, cloud-native development

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toddmorey wrote: post #42

I wonder if there's a name for this: that impatience and discomfort you feel about anything new until you understand what it is exactly and what to compare it to. Until that question is answered, you have ZERO patience for any marketing you read: especially fluffy visionary commentary about "digital transformation". You are quite literally making your readers angry because you are not answering their questions. For a…

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Re: Red Hat OpenShift.io – Free, end-to-end, cloud-native development

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Post by toddmorey »

TylerJewell wrote: post #81
toddmorey wrote: post #42

I wonder if there's a name for this: that impatience and discomfort you feel about anything new until you understand what it is exactly and what to compare it to. Until that question is answered, you have ZERO patience for any marketing you read: especially fluffy visionary commentary about "digital transformation". You are quite literally making your readers angry because you are not answering their questions. For a…

Hi @toddmorey - I am founder / CEO of Codenvy. Eclipse Che is our open source kernel and we had the opportunity to collaborate intimately with Red Hat's engineering teams in the design and development of OpenShift.io. Let me share some of the perspective that we have on what they are building. What happens if your app dev lifecycle tools (git, issue management, IDE, CI / pipeline) runs on the same platform that is ru…

Thanks for the detailed writeup. I totally agree—there are corners of the product that seem pretty exciting, and I'm certainly a fan of redhat. I just think they could really help the effort by explaining the product better in their launch materials.

One quick question for them to address is if the entire stack (suite?) will be runnable on your own hardware or if it can only be consumed as a service.

Re: Red Hat OpenShift.io – Free, end-to-end, cloud-native development

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Post by TylerJewell »

toddmorey wrote: post #95
TylerJewell wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi @toddmorey - I am founder / CEO of Codenvy. Eclipse Che is our open source kernel and we had the opportunity to collaborate intimately with Red Hat's engineering teams in the design and development of OpenShift.io. Let me share some of the perspective that we have on what they are building. What happens if your app dev lifecycle tools (git, issue management, IDE, CI / pipeline) runs on the same platform that is ru…

Thanks for the detailed writeup. I totally agree—there are corners of the product that seem pretty exciting, and I'm certainly a fan of redhat. I just think they could really help the effort by explaining the product better in their launch materials. One quick question for them to address is if the entire stack (suite?) will be runnable on your own hardware or if it can only be consumed as a service.

I have bumped into all of the OpenShift.io managers and executives today at Red Hat Summit. They have all been discussing this very HN thread (they have all read it), and taking it to heart that they want to clean up the marketing items immediately.

As for your question - initially it will be released as a service. But it's Red Hat, and their customers are primarily on-premises with OpenShift sales, so the demand for on-premises deployment on your own hardware will be through the roof. So we'll see if RHT targets that demand.

Re: Red Hat OpenShift.io – Free, end-to-end, cloud-native development

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Post by jwildeboer »

TylerJewell wrote: post #97
toddmorey wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the detailed writeup. I totally agree—there are corners of the product that seem pretty exciting, and I'm certainly a fan of redhat. I just think they could really help the effort by explaining the product better in their launch materials. One quick question for them to address is if the entire stack (suite?) will be runnable on your own hardware or if it can only be consumed as a service.

I have bumped into all of the OpenShift.io managers and executives today at Red Hat Summit. They have all been discussing this very HN thread (they have all read it), and taking it to heart that they want to clean up the marketing items immediately. As for your question - initially it will be released as a service. But it's Red Hat, and their customers are primarily on-premises with OpenShift sales, so the demand for…

We will. (12 year Red Hat veteran speaking)

Re: Red Hat OpenShift.io – Free, end-to-end, cloud-native development

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Post by xkarga00 »

fittingin wrote: post #76

How does this work with rkt?

rkt is still not fully functional as a container runtime for kubelet[1]. kubelet is the underlying daemon used by Kubernetes and OpenShift for running containers. I am not sure if and when rkt will reach feature parity with the docker runtime but once it does, we wouldn't need to do much and enable it in OpenShift.

[1] https://kubernetes.io/docs/getting-started-guides/rkt/notes/

Re: Red Hat OpenShift.io – Free, end-to-end, cloud-native development

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Post by jwildeboer »

n42 wrote: post #57
op00to wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2. Show photos, video, or screenshots. You'll literally be able to demo it yourself for free, on demand, in production (IF YOU DARE!), within the next few days.

Then they should have announced it when it was ready. There is now openshift.com (enterprise), openshift.org (OSS), and openshift.io (???) and none of these websites do a great job of explaining why you should be on that website and not the others.

You want everything explained, you want to use it for free and you don't want to participate. Everything that's wrong with the world ;-)
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