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Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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Post by ManFromUranus »

WorldMaker wrote: post #78
ManFromUranus wrote: post #26

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I agree with your take, many will not see improved security as a benefit but will instead resent the limited functionality. This is nothing more than a rebranded Windows RT which already failed in the market with the Surface RT. IMO this laptop will also fail, regardless of whatever hardware they pair it with

I have friends that very much love their Windows RT devices as quick, secure browser-first tablets (and were disappointed by a lack of an upgrade to Windows 10). Windows S has the benefit that you can upgrade to "real" Windows 10 Pro if you decide you are tired of the limited functionality.

Oh that's pretty interesting, I didn't know that. So I guess it kind of comes with real windows after all (in a roundabout way)

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Post by city41 »

lorenzhs wrote: post #230
noatime wrote: post #221

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The ThinkPad X1 Carbon had just been "coreboot" supported ( so it will be soon the libreboot best/newest one ? ) : that's one big add-point to Linux . ( Sorry if I misunderstood something , it's my first post and I'm not so geeky :) , english too is not my native language )

The model supported by coreboot is the first generation X1 Carbon, which is 4-5 years old now. I'm talking about the 5th generation, which has only been available for a few months.

Any idea if the trackpad is better? I have three Thinkpads (including the previous Carbon), all running Linux, and the trackpads are just terrible.

I'm spoiled because I'm used to the MacBook trackpad.

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Post by dhimes »

my123 wrote: post #288
CJefferson wrote: post #276

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WSL is in the windows store.

Windows 10 S has all the CLI stuff disabled, including WSL. The registry editor is also absent.

How aggravating. This is why I left Windows. No marginal cost to them, the functionality is inside but turned off. I really have a hard time with that idea. It seems...well...just plain mean.

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Post by dhimes »

chaostheory wrote: post #167
sxates wrote: post #153

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I just can't see anyone inside MS being able to make the case that they should put effort into making their laptops run anything other than Windows. But I agree with you. I tried to set up Linux on my Surface Book, but couldn't get the keyboard to work :/

Still inside Windows, but it's a good start https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/about Personally I prefer this over a vm, dual boot or running Linux exclusively

This is excellent, but I've also had great luck with recent versions of VirtualBox.

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Post by orbitingpluto »

EpicEng wrote: post #99
iamNumber4 wrote: post #8

We should all be taking offense by this. This is the drug dealer play book, Hook the kids early, so that when they are adults they go with what they know, instead of being critical thinkers and evaluating the available products to pick the best technical solution for the needs at hand. this is why small to mid-sized companies are struggling with MS server products, and are locked into this merry-go-round licensing fe…

Is everyone a programmer or engineer in your reality?

I'd rather see an assortment of different products in schools. Web functionality is pretty much the only thing that has to be common for all.

Teachers should be taught the principles of connecting to Wi-Fi, just like the students. How to figure things out on your own is more or less the whole point of computers in schools. Maybe I just like the directed chaos of Montessori.

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Post by polyomino »

canadaj wrote: post #298
SoapSeller wrote: post #163

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The Windows Store page[0] state that "Prefer to run non-Store apps? Easily switch to Windows 10 Pro for free until Dec 31, 2017". [0] https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/product...

Why don't they just ship it with W10 Pro already installed? Are there hardware issues, or do they hope a percentage of the population will pay for the upgrade in 2018?

They don't want you to upgrade. They can make more from you over time by locking you into the store.

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Post by rtkwe »

oceanswave wrote: post #96

A fabric covered keyboard... wondering how that's going to look in a year of use. 1 USB 3.0 port and a proprietary Surface Connect port... So more surface-only dongles if you want to connect to a VGA/DVI/HDMI display. Is the Surface Connect port completely proprietary or is a rebranded Thunderbolt? Starts at $999 for a 13.5" i5/4GB/128GB SSD, and then you have to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro for $49 if you want to use S…

Huh? There's a standard mini-Display on there too so no proprietary dongles. My work even had them just cable tied to the HDMI ports in all our meeting rooms.

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Post by dhimes »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #159
humanrebar wrote: post #80

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> A minute fraction of kids will use the ability to install downloaded software to flourish. ...and a minute fraction will play on the football field or perform in the school theater.

and that's why we don't assign ballet shoes and football pads to every single student and instead have try-outs.

But some schools do mandate some form of athletic participation.

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Post by kyriakos »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #101
kyriakos wrote: post #59

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I'm not sure how easily win32 apps can be ported to the store, might be worth the trouble.

Note that Google Chrome was previously available with a "Metro app version" during Win 8 but they retired it.

Google will release one if they expect a market share for Windows S. They are offering the browser as a gateway to their services after all.
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