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Post by moduspwnens14 »

nezza-_- wrote: post #128
denzil_correa wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No one uses the Apple app stop on MacOS because apparently it's terrible AFAIK, most major apps are on the macOS app store.

Afaik quite some of the major apps were leaving it in the last years (Sketch comes to mind), but might just be my filter bubble.. Would be interesting to hear from some Mac OS devs

It's just tricky because of the restrictions, and it's not just the restrictions themselves but the reality that you're limited to them in the future.

Even if your app can run in a sandbox today, are you willing to turn down any future feature requests that would make it so it won't?

We're putting an app on there, but our app is kind of an ideal use case because we don't expect to have to add features that can't work in the sandbox and our app is free. It's a tougher sell if you have to cut features to fit in the sandbox or hand off 30% of your sale to Apple.

Admittedly that 30% isn't unreasonable if you're really just starting out. That does include hosting, purchasing, and billing. But those things can be done at a much cheaper rate than 30% if you can set them up.

Panic is one of my favorite Mac app developers and (just checked) one of their apps (Coda) is distributed outside the App Store [1], while Transmit is distributed on both.

[1] https://panic.com/blog/coda-2-5-and-the-mac-app-store/

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Post by zuron7 »

lucasmullens wrote: post #270
krzyk wrote: post #250

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At schools, during exams internet connectivity is disabled on purpose. How Chromebooks work then? EDIT: Why the down votes? My wife is a teacher and disabling internet access during any kind of a test (not to mention exam).

You take digital exams on computers without internet access? Where and how?

I'm guessing over the local network.

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Post by devopsproject »

millstone wrote: post #77
dangrossman wrote: post #45

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The Surface Laptop is thinner than both.

That's remarkable. How did they get the USB-A port in there? The MacBook Pro body is thinner than the type A receptacle. Edit: Looking at this picture https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/surfa... and there's even substantial space around the type A receptacle. I honestly don't understand how it can be thinner than the MBP. I look forwards to seeing one in person.

they said it was the thinnest lcd panel ever built. maybe the savings are in the top?

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Post by zip1234 »

cm2187 wrote: post #269
captainmuon wrote: post #40

Windows S is completely backwards. If the Windows Store was actually any good, they should make a version without store apps (win32 only) and let customers pay a premium to use signed, vetted, store apps. (Only half kidding...) But this way around, store apps will always be viewed as the cheaper, less featured option.

Mostly I don't get the different between Windows RT and Windows S. Did they just change the name?

No. Windows RT is not x86. It is ARM. Windows RT could never upgrade to regular Windows.

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Post by [deleted] »

krzyk wrote: post #234
russellbeattie wrote: post #217

Do any of you have children at a school using Google Chromebooks and Google Drive? Calling Windows S a Chromebook competitor completely misses the point. Chromebooks are instant on, and your profile/data is 100% cloud based. You can grab any Chromebook from the rack in the back of the classroom, open it up, log in and immediately get to work on your report or whatever. I got an original Chromebook from Google I/O yea…

Until you loose internet connectivity (happens from time to time), or go abroad and don't want to pay high fees for net access. Or when Google decides that you broke some of their rules (frequently happens in AdSense) and blocks all of your accounts.

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Post by billyfish96 »

cm2187 wrote: post #269
captainmuon wrote: post #40

Windows S is completely backwards. If the Windows Store was actually any good, they should make a version without store apps (win32 only) and let customers pay a premium to use signed, vetted, store apps. (Only half kidding...) But this way around, store apps will always be viewed as the cheaper, less featured option.

Mostly I don't get the different between Windows RT and Windows S. Did they just change the name?

I believe Windows RT could only run windows apps compiled for ARM, Windows S can run an x86 windows application

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Post by krzyk »

lucasmullens wrote: post #270
krzyk wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At schools, during exams internet connectivity is disabled on purpose. How Chromebooks work then? EDIT: Why the down votes? My wife is a teacher and disabling internet access during any kind of a test (not to mention exam).

You take digital exams on computers without internet access? Where and how?

At schools in Poland. You can't have internet access so you won't look up answers on the internet. You have just computer in from of you. It's pretty standard way of doing any kind of grading.

Example would be for programming class or for office suite. You don't need internet to work in IDE or in Office.

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Post by my123 »

CJefferson wrote: post #276
majewsky wrote: post #202

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Linux was brought up because grand-grandparent says it can only run stuff from the Windows Store, so I'm pretty sure that WSL is out of the question.

WSL is in the windows store.

Windows 10 S has all the CLI stuff disabled, including WSL. The registry editor is also absent.

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Post by _0w8t »

russellbeattie wrote: post #217

Do any of you have children at a school using Google Chromebooks and Google Drive? Calling Windows S a Chromebook competitor completely misses the point. Chromebooks are instant on, and your profile/data is 100% cloud based. You can grab any Chromebook from the rack in the back of the classroom, open it up, log in and immediately get to work on your report or whatever. I got an original Chromebook from Google I/O yea…

I am curious if Chromebook for schools completely block access to development mode? I have found out that with that mode enabled and Crouton I could develope Java applications offline using Eclipse and testing things using local webserver.

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Post by opportune »

zepto wrote: post #274
opportune wrote: post #238

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I think you're missing the point. Children don't need to worry about breaking AdSense rules and getting their accounts blocked, especially if they have accounts dedicated for school. Children also will have internet at school.

But we should worry about google building advertising profiles on children, as they have been doing.

Very true, I was thinking of Chromebooks purely from a utility standpoint, but if parts of Google's plan is to build profiles on children starting from when they're young, that is actually especially nefarious.

I'm worried most of all that Google will use some sort of sentiment analysis or other machine learning tool to classify kids based on academic ability and build a sort of "cognitive profile" on children as they age.

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