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Ask HN: Why U.S. people dislike Nokia?

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Re: Ask HN: Why U.S. people dislike Nokia?

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Americans hardly buy any products designed outside US. I've wondered for some time why is that and my best guest is non-US marketing doesn't work on Yankees.

HTC has done pretty well in the American market, but they also use American OSes (Android, WinMo) on their smartphones.

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[edit] Quick clarification: The OP compared Nokia to Apple and Android, so my answer was specifically about Nokia smartphones. Nokia feature-phones have always had a decent market share in the US, and I think that the average person in the US thinks of those feature-phones when they hear the word Nokia, and has no clue that the E or N series phones even exist. [/edit] I live in the US. I've never actually seen a phon…

Obviously you do not know any drug dealer :).They love those Nokia prepaid phones.

Re: Ask HN: Why U.S. people dislike Nokia?

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I don't think Americans dislike nokia as much as we misunderstand nokia. Since they aren't marketed very well here, our idea of what nokia is as a brand was shaped by a cheap nokia candybar that was our first cell phone. That impression of nokia as "the free phone company" has just never changed.

Re: Ask HN: Why U.S. people dislike Nokia?

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One Word: Symbian. Make that two: Ewww

I did not downvote you, but if you asked the next 100 people ,whom you do not know and own a cellphone, "What is Symbian" noone will answer.

Worldwide Symbian has around 44% market share. http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1372013

Re: Ask HN: Why U.S. people dislike Nokia?

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A week ago, I watched the movie 'Who killed the electric car?'. At one point the narrator said something like:

>> US customers feared that by getting accustomed to small electric cars, they wouldn't be able to have large SUVs, and would eventually be forced to live like Europeans!

At that point I laughed out loud and rewinded the video just to hear it one more time. Maybe for people in the US, Europe reminds them of the concept of compromising; which is not great, as far as marketing goes.

I agree, that iPhones and Androids are superior now, but how come Nokia wasn't really successful in the US, before the iPhone? I think they had (and still have) great non-smart phones.

Re: Ask HN: Why U.S. people dislike Nokia?

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I've owned several Nokia phones and used to love them before mobile apps. They were super hardy and functional phones. Plus, I could use the same chargers for about a decade! Imagine that, a cell phone manufacturer that didn't invent a new charger for every phone!

Before the iPhone, there wasn't a huge market for apps. They were hard to write for all the different platforms. The UI experience was awful. It was so bad I really only used my phone as a phone and not the super device that iPhones/Androids are.

Since the iPhone gave us a decent interface and an app store, apps are what drive the sale of smart phones. For the last Nokia I owned, it was super sketchy install apps compared to the managed app store method. As a consumer, I trust the app store not to screw up my phone. Installing JAR files from unknown sources always made me a bit worried.

Also, since iPhone/Android, Nokia was no longer classified as a smart phone producer. I've heard several people refer to Nokia phones as 'Feature Phones'. IE, they have some gimicky feature (like a flashlight in the top or they play Mp3's), instead of being a complete phone.

Granted, Nokia could have an app store now and real smart phones, but I don't really care any more. At the end of the day, I want a phone that works reliably. I want to find apps that work quickly. I also want the same phone my parents are using so when I have to help them out, I don't have to relearn the whole interface. iPhones do this for me, so that's why I no longer look at Nokia phones.

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[edit] Quick clarification: The OP compared Nokia to Apple and Android, so my answer was specifically about Nokia smartphones. Nokia feature-phones have always had a decent market share in the US, and I think that the average person in the US thinks of those feature-phones when they hear the word Nokia, and has no clue that the E or N series phones even exist. [/edit] I live in the US. I've never actually seen a phon…

Obviously you do not know any drug dealer :).They love those Nokia prepaid phones.

Which don't run Symbian

Re: Ask HN: Why U.S. people dislike Nokia?

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HN and the Tech Blogosphere tend to be populated by a certain community and that community is influenced by their common opinions and tastes.  Right now the common belief amongst that community is we’re moving into a period where software matters more than hardware and platforms are more important than phone companies.

Call it the “App Store Mentality” 

Sure you can build apps for Symbian just as you can build apps for the now redubbed Classic Windows Smartphone.  But the lack of an app store represents a barrier that seems to prevent normal people from installing apps.  This in turn makes Symbian look like an OS that’s built around the old model of apps just being a cool thing that power users can do.

So I don’t think it’s Nokia as much as it’s their dedication to a platform that seems to be trying to maintain the old status quo where Manufacturer and Carrier are more powerful than platform.

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