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Re: Red Hat OpenShift.io – Free, end-to-end, cloud-native development

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Post by cpitman »

bdavisx wrote: post #27
maxandersen wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

disclaimer: I work on openshift.io, and there will be much more coming out as summit goes on so I can't refer to more than in current news: From https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-unvei... Team Collaboration Agile Planning Developer Workspace Management Application Coding and Testing Runtime Stack Analysis Continuous Integration and Delivery thus it is more than "just" an online IDE in the traditi…

So if a company chooses openshift.io, then I'm not going to be able to use IntelliJ, NetBeans, emacs, vim, visual studio code, etc. That'll help attract talent.

I think you are jumping to conclusions here, OpenShift.io is committing to a git repository. I'm guessing you'll still be able to clone this repo locally and use your own tools.

Re: Red Hat OpenShift.io – Free, end-to-end, cloud-native development

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Post by noja »

op00to wrote: post #56
toddmorey wrote: post #42

I wonder if there's a name for this: that impatience and discomfort you feel about anything new until you understand what it is exactly and what to compare it to. Until that question is answered, you have ZERO patience for any marketing you read: especially fluffy visionary commentary about "digital transformation". You are quite literally making your readers angry because you are not answering their questions. For a…

> 2. Show photos, video, or screenshots. You'll literally be able to demo it yourself for free, on demand, in production (IF YOU DARE!), within the next few days.

The intro is intended as a teaser for the demo. If you don't show people what it is, they won't demo it.

A missed opportunity, but there is still time to recover.

Re: Red Hat OpenShift.io – Free, end-to-end, cloud-native development

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Post by noja »

luciddreamz wrote: post #38
thanksgiving wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'll see if we can get a fix pushed out for this today/ASAP. The issue currently occurs when you have multiple Red Hat accounts that use the same email address (or a sub-addressed version of the same email address, like "chris@gmail.com" and "chris+123@gmail.com". Is this a special case for Google mail or do you assume foo+bar@example.domain is the same as foo@example.domain ? Why?

It's an abuse prevention mechanism. We do not permit users to have multiple OpenShift Online accounts. See 2.1 in the OpenShift Online terms of service: https://www.openshift.com/legal/terms.html "You may not (or permit third parties to) create multiple accounts or otherwise access the Services in a manner that is intended to avoid Fees or to circumvent maximum capacity thresholds for the Services."

Then it's a bug right? The uniqueness check should be based on the part before the + sign.

Re: Red Hat OpenShift.io – Free, end-to-end, cloud-native development

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Post by jacurtis »

smikhanov wrote: post #12

What is this product about? I clicked "Learn more" and was greeted by a sweet, juicy corporate-speak ( https://www.openshift.io/end-to-end.html ): Digital transformation is about evolving into a technology business in order to compete in the digital economy. Businesses can’t transform without relying on the developer to implement the transformation strategy and deliver value. Mmm... tasty!

I am glad im not the only one confused by this. I went to the webpage first, couldnt really figure out what exactly it did. So i went to HN comments to see if i could figure out the purpose of this product through the comments. Turns out everyone is confused as well, lol.

Re: Red Hat OpenShift.io – Free, end-to-end, cloud-native development

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Post by pekk »

baijum wrote: post #61
op00to wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2. Show photos, video, or screenshots. You'll literally be able to demo it yourself for free, on demand, in production (IF YOU DARE!), within the next few days.

There is video link in this blog post: https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2017/05/02/announcing-red...

Why would I be digging through Red Hat's blog to find this, and not find it on the site of the actual thing itself?

Re: Red Hat OpenShift.io – Free, end-to-end, cloud-native development

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Post by trjordan »

toddmorey wrote: post #42

I wonder if there's a name for this: that impatience and discomfort you feel about anything new until you understand what it is exactly and what to compare it to. Until that question is answered, you have ZERO patience for any marketing you read: especially fluffy visionary commentary about "digital transformation". You are quite literally making your readers angry because you are not answering their questions. For a…

It's a hard problem, especially for a product that has as much surface area as OpenShift.

- It is a PaaS, which would compete with Docker, EC2, and Heroku.

- It's development environment. Sublime?

- It's a collaboration tool. Github?

More to the point, it probably doesn't do any of those things in particular quite as well as those specific solutions do, but they're hoping you see the value in everything together. Would there be value in an IDE that had a deploy button that automatically marked a task as done?

I'm not sure that's exactly it, and I agree that this site isn't wonderfully done, but it's hard to get across "the thing" when there isn't a perfect comp to "the thing" already out there. Bad comparisons will pigeonhole your product forever.

Re: Red Hat OpenShift.io – Free, end-to-end, cloud-native development

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Post by yebyen »

jldugger wrote: post #37
shadowmint wrote: post #25

So... it's like a poorly explained PaaS which is: - An IDE - A platform for running containers - A set of productivity and collaboration tools - CI service - Deployment tools ...all in one? Really? I'm scratching my head over this one. I really respect the work RedHat do, but there's this idea of picking one thing and doing it well... but heck, I mean, you can also just do everything as well, and hope one bit or anot…

Last I checked, OpenShift was comparable to Heroku.

Yes and no. Deis Workflow is like an open-source Heroku (even uses Heroku buildpacks.) OpenShift has its own build stacks and does not share as much in common with Heroku and Workflow.

From a naïve user experience perspective, OpenShift is probably a bit more like Heroku. Workflow does not (yet) have service brokers or add-ons that provide sidecars like a MySQL database or a Redis server. OpenShift provides those things in a manner more similar to Heroku's add-ons.

OpenShift also provides users with a point-and-click interface, but Deis Workflow expects you to use a command-line interface or bring your own dashboard (deisdash is a thing).

Deis Workflow depends on Kubernetes, and OpenShift =~(subsumes/supplants) Kubernetes in a marginally incompatible way, but to my knowledge Heroku has no relationship at all with Kubernetes. At least if it does, it's very opaque about it. (I couldn't tell you either way because it is opaque.)

Re: Red Hat OpenShift.io – Free, end-to-end, cloud-native development

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Post by yebyen »

dkarapetyan wrote: post #46

Tried OpenShift last time and their cartridge model didn't make sense. What has changed since then?

Literally everything. Cartridges are OpenShift v2, "images" in v3 are literally the same concept as a Docker image. You can check out this link[1] for more about what's changed.

My first instinct trying OpenShift v3 Developer Preview was to slap helm on it and see if I could deploy my Kubernetes projects. Turns out that Helm does not have much of a security model to speak of, and this was problematic to enabling support for Helm in OpenShift v3 where multi-tenancy was one of the concerns they wanted to address right away.

I got with claytonc in the #openshift-dev channel on freenode and he explained all of this to me, the long story short is that Helm on OpenShift is not well supported but that you can use it if you are willing to give it a service account with editor access to the whole cluster and make some other small changes like setting TILLER_NAMESPACE to something other than kube-system.

Instead, OpenShift basically uses the Kubernetes model with some additional primitives for deployments and builds. You define a BuildConfig (or let the point-and-click interface do it for you). Builds produce images, and images go into an ImageStream. A DeploymentConfig maps deployments to ImageStreams. [2]

The rest of the way down the stack, your deployment looks very similar to a regular Kubernetes deployment (except it's not using the Kubernetes deployment primitive, I believe that OpenShift implemented their own formal concept of Rolling Updates on DeploymentConfig before Kubernetes released the modern Deployment/ReplicaSet primitives that many k8s users are using for this now.) It is almost Kubernetes under the hood (but not quite, in subtly incompatible ways that depending on your size and current level of investment into Kubernetes, you might have an easy time or a hard time getting over.)

If you're looking for a short list of things that have changed from OpenShift v2 to v3, there isn't one because they are not really directly related products other than by name[3].

[1]: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/openshift_ente...

[2]: https://docs.openshift.org/latest/dev_guide/deployments/how_...

[3]: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32477650/openshift-v3-vs-...

Re: Red Hat OpenShift.io – Free, end-to-end, cloud-native development

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Post by deadmik3 »

cpitman wrote: post #71
bdavisx wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if a company chooses openshift.io, then I'm not going to be able to use IntelliJ, NetBeans, emacs, vim, visual studio code, etc. That'll help attract talent.

I think you are jumping to conclusions here, OpenShift.io is committing to a git repository. I'm guessing you'll still be able to clone this repo locally and use your own tools.

Yeah, I don't see any reason why you'd be forced to use any particular IDE if you're using Git properly
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