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Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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cdnsteve wrote: post #51

Video and more info here: https://blogs.windows.com/devices/2017/05/02/introducing-sur... https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-s Windows 10 S integrates with OneDrive so files are saved to the cloud, in sync and accessible from your devices. Use compatible apps available from the Windows Store. If you need to use professional tools or would rather run non-Store apps, you can easily and affordably switch…

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Post by WorldMaker »

tdicola wrote: post #65
TheCoreh wrote: post #60

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The Windows Store already supports HTML/JS-based apps, but not using electron. (It uses Microsoft Edge's engine IIRC)

Let's be honest though, no one is going through the trouble to port their app to Windows 10 only HTML and JS. I don't think MS has even talked about that stack at their recent developer conferences.

It's not a "sexy" stack to talk about, but I don't think it is going anywhere. There are quite a few Windows Store applications built on it, including several first party applications from Microsoft themselves. It's a quiet workhorse stack that does the job and gets out of the way. So quiet I don't think people often realize when an app is built on it.

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Post by zod50 »

the surface laptop isn't a chromebook competitor, it's more of a macbook air/pro competitor. the windows 10 S based laptops manufactured by asus, acer, dell, fujitsu, hp, samsung, toshiba are the real chromebook competitors. i think its basically windows 10 S Vs chrome OS.

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Post by Analemma_ »

nxc18 wrote: post #63

Really, really disappointed by the lack of Windows on ARM news. All the rumors were pointing to it, but it looks like we're stuck with Intel. Not that Intel is bad, and its gotten better on mobile, but still, legitimate choice would be nice.

I imagine if there is news to share on that front, it will happen at Microsoft's developer conference, which is next week. So don't give up hope yet.

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Post by kartickv »

Roritharr wrote: post #56

Dead on Arrival for our company. We only buy Thunderbolt 3 equipped notebooks for compatibility with our Dockingstation-Flexdesk setups. I would have bought them in a heartbeat over Dell XPS 13s for our Customer Support guys. It makes me really sad because this points to longer clinging to the Surface Pro 3 Connector, so the next Surface Pro & Surface Book are likely not to ditch it in favor of TB3. I'm still on my S…

I agree — as someone who hasn't bought a Surface or a Surface Dock, a proprietary version of Thunderbolt 3 or USB-C is a step back, not a step forward.

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Post by w1ntermute »

rocky1138 wrote: post #66
pawadu wrote: post #30

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Given the target market (schools) I think not being able to install downloaded software is only a good thing. Also, did you see the performance demo? 10s was significantly faster than 10 Pro. Not sure about the $999 for the cheapest model however. Does it include an Office 365 subscription?

> Given the target market (schools) I think not being able to install downloaded software is only a good thing. Except that giving kids unfettered access to their computers allows them to flourish. See: BBC Micro, Raspberry Pi, Apple ][, the list goes on.

A minute fraction of kids will use the ability to install downloaded software to flourish. The vast majority of children will just download games, malware, and porn. Society should be more honest with itself about the simple reality that the vast majority of children are not and will not ever be special.

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Post by millstone »

dangrossman wrote: post #45
millstone wrote: post #44

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Err, the MacBook Pro itself is thinner than a MacBook Air.

The Surface Laptop is thinner than both.

That's remarkable. How did they get the USB-A port in there? The MacBook Pro body is thinner than the type A receptacle.

Edit: Looking at this picture https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/surfa... and there's even substantial space around the type A receptacle. I honestly don't understand how it can be thinner than the MBP. I look forwards to seeing one in person.

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Post by WorldMaker »

ManFromUranus wrote: post #26
steego wrote: post #21

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You raise a good question. I own a Chromebook precisely because it's limited in the software it can run. Other people own it because it's simple to own and use. Restricting to the Windows Store is a good move for security, but I'm not sure the different groups of customers will take away the same message. Some people will see it as a move to water it down or take away features while others will see it as a positive s…

I agree with your take, many will not see improved security as a benefit but will instead resent the limited functionality. This is nothing more than a rebranded Windows RT which already failed in the market with the Surface RT. IMO this laptop will also fail, regardless of whatever hardware they pair it with

I have friends that very much love their Windows RT devices as quick, secure browser-first tablets (and were disappointed by a lack of an upgrade to Windows 10). Windows S has the benefit that you can upgrade to "real" Windows 10 Pro if you decide you are tired of the limited functionality.

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Post by humanrebar »

w1ntermute wrote: post #76
rocky1138 wrote: post #66

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> Given the target market (schools) I think not being able to install downloaded software is only a good thing. Except that giving kids unfettered access to their computers allows them to flourish. See: BBC Micro, Raspberry Pi, Apple ][, the list goes on.

A minute fraction of kids will use the ability to install downloaded software to flourish. The vast majority of children will just download games, malware, and porn. Society should be more honest with itself about the simple reality that the vast majority of children are not and will not ever be special.

> A minute fraction of kids will use the ability to install downloaded software to flourish.

...and a minute fraction will play on the football field or perform in the school theater.

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