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Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Post by ksec »

Steve Jobs - Apple Is Software - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEeyaAUCyZs

Apple is a Software company, You just have to buy their Hardware first to use it.

Apple lately has been too focused, or too worried about the Design of the product and lost sight of its main direction.

To more accurately phase it, Apple is an Ecosystem company. You use its Software, Hardware and Services across all ( most ) segment.

I'd argue Mac Pro should be the one of those segment, ( representing 1% of the total Mac Sales, and more like 0.1% of Apple's total revenue ) where they should make it impossible for average consumer to come up with a similar spec Machine with similar price. It doesn't mean Apple is making a loss, it is more likely Apple is just making very little profits on it.

The Apple now, or the Mac Ecosystem now is very different to 20 years ago. iPhone manage to pull in Lots of new developers and Pros.

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Post by [deleted] »

logicallee wrote: post #163
astrodust wrote: post #160

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It's a non-competing market. Nobody is going to fire up a grill in the office, make a burger, and then slap on the sauce just to save a trip to a McDonald's. They are going to use it when the otherwise wouldn't buy a McDonald's burger, like when hosting a backyard BBQ.

my analysis is different, but whatever. I think some people would make a hamburger at home rather than go to a mcdonald's when they yearn for this product. obviously mcdonald's canada agrees with you and not me.

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Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Post by flooq »

Worse than the Hackintosh users, Apple have just about lost me completely to Windows.

Apple held my attention for years because I need Adobe software and prefer a Unix enviroment. I'm pretty happy using using a Windows 10 desktop with Windows Subsystem for Linux now. My workflow is pretty much the same as it is my MacBook now. So much so that I'd probably do the same with my next laptop.

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Post by astrodust »

logicallee wrote: post #163
astrodust wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a non-competing market. Nobody is going to fire up a grill in the office, make a burger, and then slap on the sauce just to save a trip to a McDonald's. They are going to use it when the otherwise wouldn't buy a McDonald's burger, like when hosting a backyard BBQ.

my analysis is different, but whatever. I think some people would make a hamburger at home rather than go to a mcdonald's when they yearn for this product. obviously mcdonald's canada agrees with you and not me.

The Big Mac product is not actually burger, it's convenience and being packaged at a consistent, predictable level of quality. If you're hungry and have five minutes, they've got a burger for you.

The Big Mac sauce is the McDonald's signature brand. It's not a competitor to their main product. It's not inherently convenient, it's just familiar, and could serve to reinforce the brand and promote sales of their core product.

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Post by laythea »

coldtea wrote: post #75
Xyzodiac wrote: post #15

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It's not just design, there's also a heavy reliance on Mac only (or at least Mac and Windows only) pro video and audio programs. I will say though, I've always loved running Linux on desktops where this isn't the use case.

> It's not just design, there's also a heavy reliance on Mac only (or at least Mac and Windows only) pro video and audio programs. It's even more so in programming. Go to any developer conference, whether it's for Rails, C, Java, Haskell or whatever: a huge percentage there will have MacBook Pros, much much more than the percentage of Mac users in the general market (e.g 10% in the general market and 40 to 60% in dev…

Yes but the MacOS operating system is becoming more and more dumbed down in the UI experience, which nullifies most of the "its got a good UI" argument.

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Post by laythea »

pinaceae wrote: post #50
panglott wrote: post #4

Why not allow developers to build their own Macs? The situation today in completely different than 1995-1996, when Apple briefly allowed Macintosh clones, before Jobs killed the project because they were cannibalizing Apple's high-end desktop sales. Now high-end desktop sales are such a small part of Apple's line that they let the products stagnate for years. Are Mac Pro motherboards really going to compete with note…

The core business model of Apple is to sell hardware. That simple. That's why macOS, etc are free now. That's why they're ramping up their enterprise partnerships behind the scenes to ensure big apps run best or even first on iOS and macOS. IBM, SAP and especially Cisco (the latter has special hooks in the networking stack in iOS, giving Cisco routers an edge). You can argue if that is the correct approach or not, bu…

Great business model if you ask me. Hardware requires refreshing more often than software.

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Post by laythea »

gnicholas wrote: post #48
azeirah wrote: post #41

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> Maybe it's just me It is. I don't care a lot about design either (although I care a lot about user experience), but many people /do/ care for design, and are willing to pay a premium to get that design.

Honest question: what percent of Pro Mac users care more about design than performance? I get that lots of creatives (who might care about design) use Macs, but in the Pro community the sense I get is that performance (and expandability) are relatively more important. That's why the trash can Mac Pro was not particularly popular, to say the least.

Yes I am always amazed at this because this should be a natural conclusion to any right minded person who reads the words "pro".

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Post by iamatworknow »

copperx wrote: post #151
iamatworknow wrote: post #92

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No disk drive. Running off of an ADATA Premier SP600 256 gig SSD, which is supposed to have 540MB/s read, 290MB/s write.

Pointing out the obvious here, but there seems to be something wrong with your build. Adobe CS should be running very smoothly in your system. I have CS running on and old i3 machine with 8 GB of RAM with an SSD and an integrated video card, and Photoshop runs as fast as in my MBPr i7.

What's weird is that any game I throw at the machine (which is what I built it for) works flawlessly. It's only Lightroom/Photoshop that give me grief.

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Post by abritinthebay »

iainmerrick wrote: post #199
abritinthebay wrote: post #164

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> But they didn't have to make a bet at all. Sure, neither does anyone... on anything. If the bet had succeeded though we'd all be calling them geniuses and suchlike. If no-one made bets like that we'd still have boring beige boxes. Hell the original Mac was a bet like that (the design was radical at the time). The MacPro is an awesome machine. Everyone I know that has used one loves it. That's great for a pro-machin…

Sorry, I was unclear about the "bet". I don't mean they shouldn't take risks, more that in this case it would have been easy to hedge the bet -- launch a bigger expandable box at the same time. In their recent discussions around the upcoming redesign, it sounds like they didn't realize they were making a bet at all. If they had, they should have monitored it more closely and been a lot quicker out of the gate with th…

High end desktops are a niche, a small but important one, and the MacPro was wildly successful... at first.

There's a reason people complained about the lack of upgrades and it wasn't because no-one bought one.

Your suggestion would be the most un-Apple thing I've heard. They never do stuff like that because they believe in their solution as being the best.

They could have been right - that was the bet. What you describe is not a bet at all!

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