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Introducing Surface Laptop

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Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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We should all be taking offense by this. This is the drug dealer play book, Hook the kids early, so that when they are adults they go with what they know, instead of being critical thinkers and evaluating the available products to pick the best technical solution for the needs at hand. this is why small to mid-sized companies are struggling with MS server products, and are locked into this merry-go-round licensing fe…

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Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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We should all be taking offense by this. This is the drug dealer play book, Hook the kids early, so that when they are adults they go with what they know, instead of being critical thinkers and evaluating the available products to pick the best technical solution for the needs at hand. this is why small to mid-sized companies are struggling with MS server products, and are locked into this merry-go-round licensing fe…

I think it's different from drugs in that it is not actually addicting and also is necessary. I don't think teaching kids about different operating systems is very necessary, most people just do basic word processing and Web surfing on their computers, which is pretty similar across operating systems

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I wonder if tying this to the windows store is a good move. The reception thus far hasn't been extremely encouraging.

I think the windows store just did not fit the usage patterns: People were used to download stuff right off the net, or use platforms like Valve's Steam. On a chromebook-style laptop, expectations might be different. I personally don't like the walled-garden aspect of app-stores, but I like that there is someone who can effectively respond if malware is reported. Sometimes malware is even proactively removed. For non…

> For non-power-users this is definitely an advantage. I hope in a few years I can just tell my parent to only install software from the app store, and they are fine. Additionally, they don't have to do anything to stay up-to-date. I think this is often so easily overlooked for the technologically inclined.

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It's also not a situation that will likely dissipate. For instance, if in 100 years we're all (I dream) boarding starships, do the engineers really expect the average passenger or crew to understand the intricate workings of the entire vessel? Is this true for airplanes now?

Computers are essentially a vehicle for knowledge. If it's not where one is at one moment, it is where one can arrive. Not everyone who drives a car is an automotive engineer, kinetics or physics expert, or even a mechanic. Most people just want or need to get in and drive. Demanding more of somebody who's true goal is to become an expert in a subject that doesn't involve technical engineering is frankly just stupid. This is one of the things I liked about Steve Jobs, in that he believed this. Of course, that developed into the walled-garden approach but I think that's something else altogether.

It's far more beneficial for the world to have easy access to knowledge than to wish everybody saw computers and other technology the way people like us who spend time on tech forums do.

TL;DR - I agree! But I also think there's much more to be said about that.

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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I wonder if tying this to the windows store is a good move. The reception thus far hasn't been extremely encouraging.

I think the windows store just did not fit the usage patterns: People were used to download stuff right off the net, or use platforms like Valve's Steam. On a chromebook-style laptop, expectations might be different. I personally don't like the walled-garden aspect of app-stores, but I like that there is someone who can effectively respond if malware is reported. Sometimes malware is even proactively removed. For non…

If the store had launched with vetted Win32 programs from day 1 it may have gained some traction.

But right now all i can see in there are UWP "apps", and those are usually very limited in capabilities vs their Win32 equivalent.

For example, if i want to use a UWP file manager, i have to go through the Win32 file picker to allow the UWP file manager to access anything but the sub-folders of my user's home folder.

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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I wonder if tying this to the windows store is a good move. The reception thus far hasn't been extremely encouraging.

Maybe not a fun decision but I think it is needed. Consider this not very uncommon scenario:

1. You just bought a laptop, time to install some software

2. Open Edge, search for "spotify", "vlc" maybe even "office".

3. Congratulation, you now have a bing search full of adware and possibly malware.

For average Joe it is impossible to not get infected at this stage.

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