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Infosys plans to hire 10,000 American workers, open four U.S. tech centers

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Re: Infosys plans to hire 10,000 American workers, open four U.S. tech centers

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Post by thiri »

ccozan wrote: post #54
thiri wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why are they a 150 Billion dollar industry? They must be doing something right.

it seems that in this case, two wrongs show as right: 1. The CIO/CTOs are too easily pushing the responsibility to such Indian IT companies. You know, easy to blame someone else and save money in the same time. And get some shares up too. 2. The Indian companies use very deceptive means to capture this market. Simply, they lie about their competencies. It happened in multiple occasions when we got send from the india…

I know what you are talking about but I have also seen the other side of this story.

I have seen the kinds of clients Indian IT handles and quality of the software they have produced. You can be more or less guaranteed your bank, insurance company, hospital, airline/transportation systems, phone/internet utility, entertainment/sports IT is all totally built and run by Indian IT.

The process is chaotic. The first iteration is a disaster almost always. But western management persist through that first and second and sometimes third iteration of garbage because the cost benefit is just impossible to ignore. And guess what by the 4th or 5th iteration things actually work.

What most people don't realize is there is no big difference between this story and the Facebook or Google story.

In one case its a bunch of kids who don't know what the command line is thrown into a bank or insurance or manufacturing companies IT system and its a trial by fire. Not knowing what the command line is has nothing to do with how smart/adaptable the kid is who gets thrown into the deep end.

Please note this is exactly what investors are betting on when they dump a bunch of cash on a bunch of kids at a future Facebook or Google. The kid might know what the command line is but that's not what investors are betting on. They are betting on the kid being smart and adaptable when thrown into the fire. They are willing to put up with the first couple iterations being disasters and sooner or later if you bet on the right kid things work.

Are there unintended consequences when things get built this way? Of course yes Mark Zuckerberg doesn't have a solution to fake news, celeb worship, hate speech, cyber bullying on his platform. But (most)people are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Same rules should apply to the indian kid running your bank servers that just got breached.

Re: Infosys plans to hire 10,000 American workers, open four U.S. tech centers

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Post by Clownshoesms »

jpatokal wrote: post #25
Clownshoesms wrote: post #6

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I guess we saw the same in Australia with the 457 visa, and our Prime Minister abolishing it now. The act is peppered with phrases like "Preferring local workers etc" but we know how that turned out (and why it was so easy to ignore the spirit of the act). It raises revenue for the government, and cuts costs for the "poor old companies" at the expense of local workers. Shame on anyone that abused this. http://www.aph…

The 457 is not even close to "abolished", they're just rolling out a rebranded version of it. From the Australian equivalent of the Onion: http://www.betootaadvocate.com/entertainment/turnbull-solves...

I'd heard it was just as easy to work around it now, but many voters would be enarmored of Mr $$$ taking a stand now. I didn't realize that site was satire at first:

"It is no longer an issue. In one foul swoop, I’ve managed to appease the bible-thumpers and racists by scrapping the 457 visa and I’ve also got the unions pissing in my pocket. I’m a genius. All I did was turn it off and on again."

Hehe.

Re: Infosys plans to hire 10,000 American workers, open four U.S. tech centers

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Post by giis »

peteretep wrote: post #42

Oooh, offshore standards of excellence at American developer prices! EDIT: India's a huge place, and there must therefore be some exceptionally strong developers there. My experience of dealing with Wipro, TCS, etc, tells me that these companies are very effective at either filtering out any engineering talent, or alternatively simply crushing the talent of those who they employ.

>alternatively simply crushing the talent of those who they employ.

That's spot on. India does have strong developers, after few years in work, their talent is intentionally crushed by management. They don't need talented,highly-confident people who can question the management decision. All they need is some average or below-average who knows how to copy/paste from Google. These people are ideal candidates because they will find it hard to get jobs in other companies and they will do everything(regardless of how the stupid work might be) asked by manager.

Re: Infosys plans to hire 10,000 American workers, open four U.S. tech centers

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Post by thiri »

peteretep wrote: post #55
thiri wrote: post #52

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Maybe the cost of an American has come down. Maybe Americans are willing to work at the rates Indians have been quietly working at. As Jack Ma would say if the damn phone costs 50 bucks to make why should an American business think it can forever keep selling it for 600 bucks. Things rebalance all the time.

> Maybe the cost of an American has > come down. Maybe Americans are willing > to work at the rates Indians have been > quietly working at. They haven't, and they're not.

I beg to differ. We are seeing a rebalancing. American's don't need to be paid their 100k a year to live a middle class life style if a Chinese and Indian worker is able to live a middle class life style cheaper.

Re: Infosys plans to hire 10,000 American workers, open four U.S. tech centers

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Post by Clownshoesms »

flukus wrote: post #28
jpatokal wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 457 is not even close to "abolished", they're just rolling out a rebranded version of it. From the Australian equivalent of the Onion: http://www.betootaadvocate.com/entertainment/turnbull-solves...

The "not a path to full citizen" changes might break it. The only carrot left is money, which most of the abusers of the program don't want to pay.

Yes that might change things, but I doubt it. As another poster mentioned, this seems like sleight of hand more than anything.

Re: Infosys plans to hire 10,000 American workers, open four U.S. tech centers

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Post by peteretep »

thiri wrote: post #64
peteretep wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe the cost of an American has > come down. Maybe Americans are willing > to work at the rates Indians have been > quietly working at. They haven't, and they're not.

I beg to differ. We are seeing a rebalancing. American's don't need to be paid their 100k a year to live a middle class life style if a Chinese and Indian worker is able to live a middle class life style cheaper.

You appear to be confusing what you would like to be true today with what's actually true today.

Re: Infosys plans to hire 10,000 American workers, open four U.S. tech centers

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Post by product50 »

dang wrote: post #46
product50 wrote: post #30

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Seriously, shut up. Infosys has only 1 agenda and strategy - to differentiate based on cost based on low wage workers it is able to hire in India. Because of companies like them, H1 visas themselves are so scarce these days. These companies apply for visas in bulk, pay just over prevailing wage, get their employees to come to US (often displacing higher paid US employees) etc. It is honestly a shame that US allowed t…

> Seriously, shut up. It breaks the site guidelines to post uncivilly and we ban accounts that do it, so please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

Sorry. I apologize to the original poster too.

Just that I have one a couple of friends who had to leave US after their graduation, even after they secured good jobs, because of visa lottery. So, sometimes, it is difficult for me maintain decorum in my comments.

Re: Infosys plans to hire 10,000 American workers, open four U.S. tech centers

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Post by piyush_soni »

denzil_correa wrote: post #56
piyush_soni wrote: post #34

I keep on seeing this time and again on HN that "H-1B workers are cheap workers" (mostly with disdain, completely disregarding the fact that they might also be technically 'better'), but is there any data to support those claims? Because if that's the case, that clearly warrants a few lawsuits about wage discrimination in American companies.

> Because if that's the case, that clearly warrants a few lawsuits about wage discrimination in American companies. Interesting. Could you detail out this a bit more, legally? I'd like to know the specific law which makes this "discrimination" illegal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964 ? So if in the same company an American is getting more salary for the same kind of work than an Indian counterpart on H-1B visa, that's clear discrimination on race or national origin, both outlawed by the above mentioned act.

Re: Infosys plans to hire 10,000 American workers, open four U.S. tech centers

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Post by ccozan »

thiri wrote: post #61
ccozan wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it seems that in this case, two wrongs show as right: 1. The CIO/CTOs are too easily pushing the responsibility to such Indian IT companies. You know, easy to blame someone else and save money in the same time. And get some shares up too. 2. The Indian companies use very deceptive means to capture this market. Simply, they lie about their competencies. It happened in multiple occasions when we got send from the india…

I know what you are talking about but I have also seen the other side of this story. I have seen the kinds of clients Indian IT handles and quality of the software they have produced. You can be more or less guaranteed your bank, insurance company, hospital, airline/transportation systems, phone/internet utility, entertainment/sports IT is all totally built and run by Indian IT. The process is chaotic. The first iter…

The issue is not about kids being smart and easily trained - they do, and they are quite capable.

But just advertise it as such: "Look, we don't have any Linux specialists, but for this amount of money we charge, is worth to train this two guys, they are smart but no experience. Are you in?"

This honesty ( or lack of it ), is the problem, not the people. I mean, I also do browse SO, too :), and yes, sometimes I fail to give an immediate answer to a problem. But I tell this to the customer, and they feel comfortable, because in the other 99% of the cases I did solve their problem.

Re: Infosys plans to hire 10,000 American workers, open four U.S. tech centers

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Post by [deleted] »

piyush_soni wrote: post #68
denzil_correa wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because if that's the case, that clearly warrants a few lawsuits about wage discrimination in American companies. Interesting. Could you detail out this a bit more, legally? I'd like to know the specific law which makes this "discrimination" illegal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964 ? So if in the same company an American is getting more salary for the same kind of work than an Indian counterpart on H-1B visa, that's clear discrimination on race or national origin, both outlawed by the above mentioned act.

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