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Bitcoin is eating itself

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Re: Bitcoin is eating itself

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How many millions around the world are lost in the form of dropped pennies no one will ever bother to pick up? Is cash eating itself?

Do you think that's a fair comment on the article?

If it's not, whats the reason?

.0004 BTC is 50 cents. So this is one reason why, but still it's comparable to bank fees to get one of these useless coins every now and again.

Re: Bitcoin is eating itself

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On a related note, I wonder how much value is orphaned due to lost keys. If people forget their passwords, they can forget their keys/passphrases. Myself, I just had a hard drive failure. Of course, I have backups, but how many non tech savvy people are diligent about backups? Considering the total amount of bitcoins is limited by design, this will eventually be a problem. I really dont think bitcoin is a viable curr…

I had about 100 bitcoins mined in the extreme early days and weeks, but I wasn't really a believer and just did it to see what it was about, and never thought it would be worth money per se.

Wish I had kept the details, but it's nearing a decade ago, and that harddrive is long gone, unfortunately.

Re: Bitcoin is eating itself

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How many millions around the world are lost in the form of dropped pennies no one will ever bother to pick up? Is cash eating itself?

Do you think that's a fair comment on the article?

Is a legit concern. Money can be distroyed also but is just reprinted. Bitcoin could implement a similar procedure in some way for marking lost bitcoins and regenerate it.

On the other hand, If a crashed hard-drive contains some money, maybe at some point could be economically feasible to try to recover and copy it in a laboratory?.

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On a related note, I wonder how much value is orphaned due to lost keys. If people forget their passwords, they can forget their keys/passphrases. Myself, I just had a hard drive failure. Of course, I have backups, but how many non tech savvy people are diligent about backups? Considering the total amount of bitcoins is limited by design, this will eventually be a problem. I really dont think bitcoin is a viable curr…

Value? None. Bitcoins are entirely fiat, so for every coin that is lost, the exchange rate should compensate to reflect the new supply. It only really starts to become a problem when 1 Satoshi (smallest subdivisible unit) represents more value than we'd like. At the minute the exchange rate is Satoshi = USD $0.0000145925, so there's a few orders of magnitude headroom there.

I agree though that Bitcoin is not a viable mainstream currency.

Re: Bitcoin is eating itself

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On a related note, I wonder how much value is orphaned due to lost keys. If people forget their passwords, they can forget their keys/passphrases. Myself, I just had a hard drive failure. Of course, I have backups, but how many non tech savvy people are diligent about backups? Considering the total amount of bitcoins is limited by design, this will eventually be a problem. I really dont think bitcoin is a viable curr…

> I really dont think bitcoin is a viable currency for mainstream use.

Bitcoin is not a replacement for paper money, but for digital money. Only in developed countries, digital money is in mainstream use. Outside, the majority of people are "unbanked".

The problem with digital dollars is that government and banks can create them out of the fricking blue. They effectively do that -- all the time actually -- while in the process debasing and devaluing the dollars that you are holding.

I got many of my bitcoins a few years ago at $250/btc. Now they are almost $1500/btc. I think that bitcoin is a very viable digital currency. Seriously, I am not willing to exchange them for liberally-printed digital dollars.

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On a related note, I wonder how much value is orphaned due to lost keys. If people forget their passwords, they can forget their keys/passphrases. Myself, I just had a hard drive failure. Of course, I have backups, but how many non tech savvy people are diligent about backups? Considering the total amount of bitcoins is limited by design, this will eventually be a problem. I really dont think bitcoin is a viable curr…

I had about 100 bitcoins mined in the extreme early days and weeks, but I wasn't really a believer and just did it to see what it was about, and never thought it would be worth money per se. Wish I had kept the details, but it's nearing a decade ago, and that harddrive is long gone, unfortunately.

I still have them! ;-)

Re: Bitcoin is eating itself

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think that's a fair comment on the article?

Hang around in a place like r/bitcoin, and you'll find that criticism is often met with redirection toward fiat rather than having a legitimate discussion about how to address shortcomings.

Shortcomings should be addressed by forking bitcoin into yet another altcoin and demonstrate the proposed improvement over there. We now have 700+ alternative "altcoins" in circulation, most of them demonstrating pretty much nothing at all. Real breakthroughs are once in a blue moon, while all kinds of useless criticisms are plentiful. In that sense, we do not want to have a "legitimate discussion" but to observe legitimate altcoins embodying improvements, while they are performing in the real world.
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