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Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Post by vbezhenar »

hbosch wrote: post #51
emersonrsantos wrote: post #29

If Apple can put an authentication chip in a phone cable, what is stopping them to lock down macos? They don't want to do that.

They have this in the form of a legal note, don't they? Last I heard it was technically "illegal" to run macOS on anything other than Apple hardware per the TOS. Or is that just an urban legend?

They'll pursue you, if you will build hackintoshes and sell them with pirate macOS. I've never heard that they were after individuals. I even think that in many countries Apple's EULA is not counted as law, so they don't even have legal reasons to fine anyone.

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Post by post_break »

wand3r wrote: post #45
post_break wrote: post #28

Honestly, Apple should make a Mac tower, and then incentivize graphic card manufacturers to write drivers. Imagine a Mac with not last years cards, but current generation cards. No custom bios BS like they had before, just buy a card, put it in, install the driver.

As of last week newer (newest?) NVIDIA GPUs work and are supported for hackintosh and presumably Mac desktops

So once, in the past like 10 years have we been able to run a newish gpu.

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Post by sireat »

iamatworknow wrote: post #94
ericabiz wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Creative Suite regularly on both PC and Mac and haven't really seen a difference in speed at all. All 3 computers I run it on have SSDs, though. Are you running SSD on the Windows side?

Yeah, mentioned that in another comment: ADATA Premier SP600 256 gig SSD

Could be a bad chip batch on the SSD. 3rd party SSD vendors are notorious for switching around NAND suppliers. Often they are forced to do so(since they do not control the supply like Samsung/Micron/Intel does)

Besides SP600 is not considered a particularly good SSD

Pretty much all SATA3 SSDs claim the top speed of 500MB+ read/ 300MB+ write which is a best case scenario.

Many lesser SSDs have problems in random read writes.

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Post by snowwrestler »

toddmorey wrote: post #46

Boy did they drop the football in this area. I always thought the advantage to making the switch to more common PC architectures was the ability to keep pace and support a wider array of components and technologies. Instead, they over-designed the enclosure and froze the high-end range of the platform. Creating a simple, but reliable tower design (optimized for speed rather than size) would have been extremely well r…

When did CS not sing on Windows machines? To my knowledge Apple has never had a performance advantage over Windows.

I thought the Apple advantage has been workflow. For example, OS X is color-managed at the OS level. You can easily create a custom profile for your display without expensive 3rd party equipment.

And OS X uses the same language as PDF to composite the display, so it's easy to produce (color managed) PDFs from any application.

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Post by DerekL »

vondur wrote: post #66

Apple could literally just release the new Mac Pro in the old case, with updated hardware and ports, and if it was priced closer to reality, it would make a lot of their pro users happy. I doubt it would cost them much to do so too. I'd start it off at around $1500 for an entry level 4 core Xeon with an mid-level graphics card (GTX 1060 or Radeon 480).

I think that it'll be a cut-down version of the old tower, not the entire huge thing. My prediction:

2 16x PCIe card slots: YES

2 4x PCIe card slots: NO, use Thunderbolt 3 instead. Every time Apple can push a device maker to switch from slow PCIe to Thunderbolt, that's another device that's usable with a MacBook Pro.

4 3.5" hard disk bays: NO

1 3.5" hard disk bay: MAYBE

2–4 PCIe Flash storage bays: YES

2 optical/Zip/floppy drive bays: HELL NO. Most users rarely use optical discs, and almost no one uses both bays. An external drive is actually more convenient, because you can put it somewhere on your desk when you need it, and put it away when you're done. Then you can place the tower wherever you like, because you won't be stuffing discs into it. In addition, ever since the Blue and White G3, Apple has had to rig up some doors to hide the off-white plastic of the optical drives. Never again!

The starting price will go back to $2499, like it was in 2012. The B&W G3 started at $1599, $2340 in today's dollars.

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Post by jacquesc »

I'm not sure why everyone is so gung-ho for a big tower. I want expandability, but with Thunderbolt3, you can add now external GPUs, fast external drives, and (almost) anything else. And you then don't have to worry about the thing heating up.

I owned a late 2013 Mac Pro for several years and it had the vision right. It was just too early and they gave up on it too quickly. I want v2 with a similar design, slightly upgraded CPU, thunderbolt 3 ports, and integrated graphics. Then pair it with an eGPU enclosure (like razer core), and get OSX to support this feature natively.

I also own a Razer Stealth along with the Core, and it's a great setup. Only downside is they have to work with some shit software (Windows and terrible drivers). Apple would have the ability to own this experience from top to bottom.

I don't think trying to stuff everything into a box makes sense anymore. Apple has paved the way with connectivity options, fast graphic switching, and fast bus speeds. Continue forward instead of going backwards.

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Post by watertom »

Apple doesn't need to do shit.

What are our options?

Windows? Where Microsoft is collecting every bit of data possible while pushing ads.

Linux? I'm a geek and Linux is annoying, I've been a Unix guy since 1984. I run it on my daily laptop only because I'm not willing to spend $2,000 extra for a Macbook Pro with the same specs as a $750 Dell Laptop because it weighs 9oz less

MacOS is the only real game in town.

Apple knows they are in the drivers seat and they are skull fucking the public to the best of their ability. If you doubt it, see their quarter of a Trillion in cash. If they release just a Mac tower it might just break the spell and convince people they are getting skull fucked.

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Post by itomato »

Nursie wrote: post #112
kawsper wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone should pre-build these machines, and just ship them without OSX.

Yeah that was tried about 15 years ago. Much legal hammering occurred.

That was because Psystar advertised and sold the machines with Mac OS installed.

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Post by robhu »

abritinthebay wrote: post #157
robhu wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the illegal bit is using an illegal copy of their OS to install as you don't hold the copyright and so aren't allowed to make a (modified) copy of the installer that works on the non-Apple hardware.

Potentially. Of course if you're just downloading a modified version then it's not you that modified it. It's a bit of a strange area. Either way - it's not illegal due to any specific thing Apple does. Other copyright/IP law may apply though.

I think downloading an illegal copy of something is still illegal though right? If I download a copy of a DVD for instance I've committed a crime in the UK at least.

I agree it's not due to anything specific about Apple - it's just that it's an illegal copy as you are not the copyright holder and so have no right to make a modified copy or download a copy or modified copy.

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