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Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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I was looking into hackintoshes a lot in past, mainly in hope to build a custom Mac Pro that would fill my needs, but failed to find even a single build that wouldn't require overly complex and risk fun with custom kexts on build and then with every minor OS update. Has anything changed today?

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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post #129

The problem isn't that the Mac Pro isn't upgradeable. That is a symptom and a potential solution , but not necessarily the best one. The real problem here is that Apple itself hasn't been able to keep up with demands. If they were able to enhance and sell a "new model" of Mac pro every 6-12 months, the problem would go away. Nobody wants a hackintosh, barring the long tail of people who like building PC's anyway . (A…

The real problem here is that Apple itself hasn't been able to keep up with demands.

I think the problem is they chosen not to update the Mac Pro, not that they haven't been able to. Resources should not be an issue given their cash reserves.

And frankly, even if the Mac Pro were not a profitable machine for Apple overall, they would be better served by choosing to keep it up to date, and to keep is desirable, in order to keep their developers happy.

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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I've heard they are worried about brand dilution. If that's the problem, then why not create a subsidiary firm and call it, I don't know, Pear, Gala, McIntire, Darwin or something. Let this firm build hackintoshes from off-the-shelf components. The trick is then to remove any reference to Apple and every logo from the OS. People "in the know" would be able to buy a Pear and use it just like a Mac. This would be reall…

They tried this before with clones in the 90s. It didn't end well for anyone involved.

I don't know what you mean, the model worked extremely well and IBM PC clones took over the market completely.

Oh, you mean Mac clones ;-).

What I'm trying to say is it depends entirely on execution if it works or not. I wouldn't go the way of outsourcing it to others. I would make the clone company a 100% daughter company of Apple, and at the same time I would crack down hard on other Hackintoshs (legally and technically). Apple can milk their cash cow and eat it, too (aehm, I mean their cake).

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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How about Apple create a "Custom Hardware" program ala their Developer program and basically charge $99+ a year for a legal install usb image. Then they can skip building a Pro and concentrate on the portables and iMac they like.

That's a great idea, unfortunately, the shape the company is in is that it would be too greedy (and it's too healthy financially, at least) - to be bothered with doing really cool hacker stuff.

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the day-to-day qualitative experience of Linux is head and shoulders above macOS these days. For you, perhaps. But given your preamble it strongly suggests your conditions make this boil down to "for someone who wants to use Linux, Linux is better." For a start: Linux is not a monolithic ecosystem. The sheer number of qualifiers that are needed (what flavor? What window manager? What hardware? because driver hell i…

Linux is far less fiddly than it used to be, though. I just recently installed the currently frozen Debian testing (with the intent on staying on it once it replaces the previous stable) and there was nothing to configure, it just works, even starting with a minimal install (no DE) there was nothing to configure, just pull the right packages (like bluez, pulseaudio-module-bluetooth etc) and I could pair with my wirel…

Linux is indeed much less fiddly than it used to be. It's improved massively since my first use, which was Yellow Dog (red hat for macs) back around 2002 or so.

One area that still needs work, though, is consistency. I can understand why this wouldn't be an issue for some, but it when running Linux it feels like I almost spend as much time getting the UI, little behaviors, etc to match up and be consistent between applications/DE/etc. Quite often you can't get 100% of your desired behavior.

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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post #17

For people wed to commercial design apps, I can totally understand the draw of running macOS on commodity hardware. But as someone who skews more to the hacker end of the spectrum and doesn't depend on commercial software, the day-to-day qualitative experience of Linux is head and shoulders above macOS these days. Ditto OpenBSD, etc. I'll never go back. At least it does if you've already come around to using a deskto…

Uhhhh. I put my time in with a Linux desktop for nearly a decade until a job bought me a Mac and there's no way I'd go back. And I think my "hacker end of the spectrum" bona fides are pretty good--but those bona fides aren't incompatible with a preference for a pleasing UX that has been considered with users in mind, which for my money no open-source desktop environment has even approached (and I have my beefs with O…

What features from terminator are missing that iterm2 has? What features does the osx window manager have that are not in gnome3?

Have you tried elementary OS? If you are looking for a comparable polished experience I think you will be surprised (in a good way).

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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post #51

If Apple can put an authentication chip in a phone cable, what is stopping them to lock down macos? They don't want to do that.

They have this in the form of a legal note, don't they? Last I heard it was technically "illegal" to run macOS on anything other than Apple hardware per the TOS. Or is that just an urban legend?

Check out this bluntly named kernel extension that you'll find in any Mac by browsing System\ Information.app:

http://i.imgur.com/K5rtC9z.png

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

#149

Boy did they drop the football in this area. I always thought the advantage to making the switch to more common PC architectures was the ability to keep pace and support a wider array of components and technologies. Instead, they over-designed the enclosure and froze the high-end range of the platform. Creating a simple, but reliable tower design (optimized for speed rather than size) would have been extremely well r…

It wasn't always this way though. The early mac pro had case accessibility and ventilation improvements that predated Lian Li and their copycats. Today we have tower cases where the screwdriver and bandaids no longer required equipment to replace something in your computer, but it wasn't always that way.

It seems like the same group that made the new Mac Pro made the top-loading Mac Mini that kids put coins in, destroying the CDROM drive in the process. All form, no function.

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

#150
I already linked it, and I don't want to make it feel like I'm hammering the link, but as the subject come up often lately. I wrote a small serie of article sharing my moving experience away from macOS.

https://medium.com/the-missing-bit/leaving-macos-part-1-moti...

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