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Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Post by 21 »

peatmoss wrote: post #88
21 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny that you say that an Adobe CS user is "captive", but you don't consider yourself "captive" to the superior Linux hacker tools. Ie: why is the creative user captive, but you are free. If you wanted to move to macOS/Windows you couldn't, because you wouldn't bear their inferiority when it comes to hacker things, so aren't you also captive?

Easy, because I could and occasionally do run my tools on Windows and macOS. And from some of the responses here, it's clear that some people do prefer that. But, if I wanted to buy the latest Adobe Creative Suite and run it in Linux, I have no real recourse. So I guess in that sense, my statement could be made more precisely as: Obligate users of such commercial software suites as Adobe Creative Suite are captive us…

Said obligate users _could_ migrate to Gimp or Audacity.

But they don't, for the same reason you stay on Linux. The fact that you can run bash on Windows is not such a huge difference if for other reasons you don't.

They don't want an inferior experience, even if they could tolerate it if strictly necessary.

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Post by justinclift »

walterbell wrote: post #5

HP has stepped up to compete with the sealed Mac Mini. Their "Z2 Mini Workstation" is small, has user upgradeable RAM/disk, optional Xeon and Nvidia GPU, and can drive six monitors, http://www8.hp.com/us/en/workstations/z2mini.html

Looking at the specs, none of the Z2 configurations have ECC memory.

That's extremely disappointing for a "workstation". :(

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Post by yardie »

eddieroger wrote: post #19
panglott wrote: post #4

Why not allow developers to build their own Macs? The situation today in completely different than 1995-1996, when Apple briefly allowed Macintosh clones, before Jobs killed the project because they were cannibalizing Apple's high-end desktop sales. Now high-end desktop sales are such a small part of Apple's line that they let the products stagnate for years. Are Mac Pro motherboards really going to compete with note…

Drivers. Apple likes the control over the hardware and software, and packages all of the drivers needed to run macOS on any blessed instance of Apple hardware currently supported (and maybe even ever created, since Intel). If you wanted, and I have done this before, you can clone a Mac made HDD and boot it from any other Mac you can get your hands on, and other than the hardware swap it's basically a reboot. If Apple…

I believe that is due to the fact of the strength of their xnu kernel than any drivers. I've installed my hackintosh HDD into a regular Mac and it booted just fine. It ignored the chameleon partition and booted the HDD as if it came from any other Mac.

BTW, this isn't quite assured when copying a Hackintosh to another Hackintosh. Chameleon kernel injections are device specific. Different motherboards require different injectors.

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Post by tengbretson »

kstenerud wrote: post #34

Can anyone tell me their experiences running a virtual hackintosh? In my current job I don't need a mac anymore, so I'm switching to a NUC which I'm thinking it'll be best to run Qubes on. But I do have existing mac/ios projects that I'd like to support, thus the need for a virtual hackintosh.

I've had great success running kvm as a host and macOS as a client and passing through hardware to get good performance. That said, this is on a dual socket xeon board and not a NUC, so ymmv.

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Post by walterbell »

justinclift wrote: post #132
walterbell wrote: post #5

HP has stepped up to compete with the sealed Mac Mini. Their "Z2 Mini Workstation" is small, has user upgradeable RAM/disk, optional Xeon and Nvidia GPU, and can drive six monitors, http://www8.hp.com/us/en/workstations/z2mini.html

Looking at the specs, none of the Z2 configurations have ECC memory. That's extremely disappointing for a "workstation". :(

ECC memory is available when you select a Xeon CPU.

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Post by [deleted] »

peatmoss wrote: post #88
21 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny that you say that an Adobe CS user is "captive", but you don't consider yourself "captive" to the superior Linux hacker tools. Ie: why is the creative user captive, but you are free. If you wanted to move to macOS/Windows you couldn't, because you wouldn't bear their inferiority when it comes to hacker things, so aren't you also captive?

Easy, because I could and occasionally do run my tools on Windows and macOS. And from some of the responses here, it's clear that some people do prefer that. But, if I wanted to buy the latest Adobe Creative Suite and run it in Linux, I have no real recourse. So I guess in that sense, my statement could be made more precisely as: Obligate users of such commercial software suites as Adobe Creative Suite are captive us…

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Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Post by microtonal »

markaius wrote: post #68

I purchased this ( https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Dell-In... ) laptop from the Microsoft store, paying right around ~$700 with a student discount. I bought an m.2 solid state and a wifi adapter that is known to work well with hackintosh's (the stock wifi card wasn't compatible), and another 8gb of ram for another ~$150. I followed this ( https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/guide-dell-inspiron-15-…

So for ~$850, after 'hackintoshing' this computer, I get:

The difference is that Apple could do anything to accidentally or intentionally break future updates. It would be in their right to do so, since it is illegal to run macOS on non-Apple hardware [1].

I bought a 2016 MBP for 1480 Euro (after the educational discount) and it will always work without a hassle. I don't have to worry if the latest minor release that also has security fixes breaks anything. That, plus Apple's great support (had to use it twice in 10 years and in both cases I had new or fixed hardware within 2 hours) is worth the extra cost to me.

An additional factor is that Apple hardware is often less expensive mid/long-term. I now buy a new MacBook every 1.5 years or so, my wife gets my current MacBook, and we sell her old one for 800-1000 Euro. So, we both have state-of-the-art MacBooks for ~400 per 1.5 year, or 133 Euro per year per person. There is a store across the street from my office where they sell second hand Dells and Lenovos. Three year old models go for around 300 Euro. So the resale value on other laptops is pretty bad.

Of course, I can understand that when you are on a tight budget, a Hackintosh can be attractive :^). When I was a student, I started with a Hackintosh. But after a month I realised it was easier to get a reasonably-priced Mac Mini ;).

[1] I also find it quite risky, unless you verify the Clover + custom kext source code and compile them yourself.

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Post by peatmoss »

21 wrote: post #131
peatmoss wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy, because I could and occasionally do run my tools on Windows and macOS. And from some of the responses here, it's clear that some people do prefer that. But, if I wanted to buy the latest Adobe Creative Suite and run it in Linux, I have no real recourse. So I guess in that sense, my statement could be made more precisely as: Obligate users of such commercial software suites as Adobe Creative Suite are captive us…

Said obligate users _could_ migrate to Gimp or Audacity. But they don't, for the same reason you stay on Linux. The fact that you can run bash on Windows is not such a huge difference if for other reasons you don't. They don't want an inferior experience, even if they could tolerate it if strictly necessary.

> Said obligate users _could_ migrate to Gimp or Audacity.

Perhaps—and I've certainly met professionals that claim to use those tools. However, I've met others who claim (rightly or wrongly) that Gimp and Audacity are not perfect substitutes for other commercial packages.

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Post by Operyl »

hellbanner wrote: post #72
Operyl wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those weird hacks exist because of the spambot problem they're trying to prevent. It's enough of a hassle for us that iMessage spambots are practically nonexistent as a result.

Can you explain further? SMS spam bots can still exist, right?

The difference is SMS spam isn't "free", while iMessage spam could be free if they got over the technical barriers.

Re: Modern “Hackintoshes” show that Apple should probably just build a Mac tower

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Post by captainmuon »

thesuitonym wrote: post #69
captainmuon wrote: post #56

I've heard they are worried about brand dilution. If that's the problem, then why not create a subsidiary firm and call it, I don't know, Pear, Gala, McIntire, Darwin or something. Let this firm build hackintoshes from off-the-shelf components. The trick is then to remove any reference to Apple and every logo from the OS. People "in the know" would be able to buy a Pear and use it just like a Mac. This would be reall…

Yeah, try calling for support when Photoshop starts acting weird. "Sorry, we only support macOS."

No, it's more like Windows Server vs Windows XP/7/10, or DRDOS vs MSDOS - but with much more compatibility (just the name change, exact same code).

Since they have the blessing from Apple, they could literally say on the package "This PearPC is also a genuine Macintosh" or even better "The operating system, PearOS, is A macOS". So you would say "yes, I run a macOS".

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