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A New Form of Social Withdrawal in Japan: A Review of ‘Hikikomori’ (2009)

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Re: A New Form of Social Withdrawal in Japan: A Review of ‘Hikikomori’ (2009)

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I have been living as a Hikikomori for the last eight years. Every two years I leave my home for a few hours, but I spend the rest of the time in front of my computers. I don't have any friends in real life or online and the only people I interact with are my parents. Every meal is prepared for me so the only thing I have to do is my laundry once a month. I often think about how fast time flies when living this lifes…

Why do your parents put up with this?

Re: A New Form of Social Withdrawal in Japan: A Review of ‘Hikikomori’ (2009)

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I played an mmorpg for 630 days of playtime over two years of my life. I had saved up a good amount and was on a rather generous severance package during the financial crash.

I recall my moment of change when a girl (irl) asked for a date and I missed a dungeon run. The missing run meant that I would have to wait in line for the item for another few months and it completely broke me of my urge to play.

While I know this isn't hikkikomorism in true form, I learned just how powerful human biology is.

Re: A New Form of Social Withdrawal in Japan: A Review of ‘Hikikomori’ (2009)

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Hikikomori is not only a Japanese phenomenon. I was Hikiki for a year after dropping out of college. I lived with my parents playing WoW all night and sleeping all day. I had very few social interactions. What dragged me into that lifestyle was the complete destruction of my ego. I was simply unprepared to live as an adult. It's not much of a surprise I couldn't cope. In high-school I was coddled for being smart and…

What was your degree in?

Re: A New Form of Social Withdrawal in Japan: A Review of ‘Hikikomori’ (2009)

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Hikikomori is not only a Japanese phenomenon. I was Hikiki for a year after dropping out of college. I lived with my parents playing WoW all night and sleeping all day. I had very few social interactions. What dragged me into that lifestyle was the complete destruction of my ego. I was simply unprepared to live as an adult. It's not much of a surprise I couldn't cope. In high-school I was coddled for being smart and…

What you wrote really resonated with me. ' Destruction of the ego ' is the most fitting description of that lifestyle. The Internet is the key. You need that drip-feed of sounds, colors, shapes 24/7 to drown your inner voice. You can't stand being with yourself. It's isomorphic to other addictions, like slot machines or alcohol.

I don't know of any 'solution' to this (if one agrees it is something to be solved), though to deal with your inner voice, it's best to listen to it, and I think that meditation can be a good way to do that.

Sometimes I'm arguing on HN or imageboards etc. and I think that to wind down from it all, to realise the impermanence of it, it's good to meditate, noticing the thoughts that appear in your mind. No distractions, music etc.

Re: A New Form of Social Withdrawal in Japan: A Review of ‘Hikikomori’ (2009)

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Hikikomori is not only a Japanese phenomenon. I was Hikiki for a year after dropping out of college. I lived with my parents playing WoW all night and sleeping all day. I had very few social interactions. What dragged me into that lifestyle was the complete destruction of my ego. I was simply unprepared to live as an adult. It's not much of a surprise I couldn't cope. In high-school I was coddled for being smart and…

I did something similar for a few months (right down to becoming a nocturnal WoW troglodyte). It started when I quit my job to go traveling, and continued after I returned. For me, it was due to a bit of an existential crisis - my 'life script' had always been 'work hard in school, get good grades, get into uni, do well at uni, get a job'. I'd finished the script and was lost. What now, and why should I care?

What dragged me out of this state was the one-two punch of getting a job and meeting a girl. Neither ended up being particularly good for me but they got me started again.

Re: A New Form of Social Withdrawal in Japan: A Review of ‘Hikikomori’ (2009)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But didn't you actually have a lot of social interactions if you played WoW? I played a lot of online games, and they were my primary source of social interaction. To someone who doesn't understand how one can be social on the internet, it could have appeared that I was socially withdrawn, but I wasn't. Like any condition though, the negative consequences have their own merit: playing video games most of the day does…

I always question that. I've played online too, and ever got to "know" some people (as much as you can know an anonymous nickname). But in face to face situations, the online interactions really weren't very useful. Did you find face-to-face easier because of online experiences?

Learning to lead dungeon groups (and later raids) was critical training for me later being able to take control of projects, manage subcontractors etc. So yeah, some skills learned in an MMO absolutely do carry over into real life.

Re: A New Form of Social Withdrawal in Japan: A Review of ‘Hikikomori’ (2009)

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Hikikomori is not only a Japanese phenomenon. I was Hikiki for a year after dropping out of college. I lived with my parents playing WoW all night and sleeping all day. I had very few social interactions. What dragged me into that lifestyle was the complete destruction of my ego. I was simply unprepared to live as an adult. It's not much of a surprise I couldn't cope. In high-school I was coddled for being smart and…

"Ultimately what pulled me out of that malaise was successful employment in a software company. It was only after I recovered a sense of self worth that I could finally step out of my cave." I read a lot of employment success stories similar to yours! Which is great, good to hear you're feeling better. It does go to show that for some people, jobs (by giving community and a sense of purpose) are still very important…

It's not that jobs are more fulfilling than anything else. It's that people lack opportunities. Especially if you're young, don't have a college degree and don't live in a big city. Unskilled jobs doesn't necessarily grant you independence nor a way to work your way up. Yet, higher education is still seen as a privilege rather than a necessity. What you end up with is exactly this sort of "inefficiencies".

Re: A New Form of Social Withdrawal in Japan: A Review of ‘Hikikomori’ (2009)

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post #46
post #2

Hikikomori is not only a Japanese phenomenon. I was Hikiki for a year after dropping out of college. I lived with my parents playing WoW all night and sleeping all day. I had very few social interactions. What dragged me into that lifestyle was the complete destruction of my ego. I was simply unprepared to live as an adult. It's not much of a surprise I couldn't cope. In high-school I was coddled for being smart and…

I did something similar for a few months (right down to becoming a nocturnal WoW troglodyte). It started when I quit my job to go traveling, and continued after I returned. For me, it was due to a bit of an existential crisis - my 'life script' had always been 'work hard in school, get good grades, get into uni, do well at uni, get a job'. I'd finished the script and was lost. What now, and why should I care? What dr…

What comes next? I'm also completely lost at the end of the life script and I'm not interested in getting a wife, kids, or mortgage like my peers seem to be.

Re: A New Form of Social Withdrawal in Japan: A Review of ‘Hikikomori’ (2009)

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you wrote really resonated with me. ' Destruction of the ego ' is the most fitting description of that lifestyle. The Internet is the key. You need that drip-feed of sounds, colors, shapes 24/7 to drown your inner voice. You can't stand being with yourself. It's isomorphic to other addictions, like slot machines or alcohol.

I don't know of any 'solution' to this (if one agrees it is something to be solved), though to deal with your inner voice, it's best to listen to it, and I think that meditation can be a good way to do that. Sometimes I'm arguing on HN or imageboards etc. and I think that to wind down from it all, to realise the impermanence of it, it's good to meditate, noticing the thoughts that appear in your mind. No distractions…

In my opinion, required military service for 1-2 years post high school (or deferred until after University) can help mitigate it. I don't have any facts to back up my claim but an environment that has guaranteed work, physical fitness requirements and is heavily team based hits a lot of points. While not a perfect solution, I don't see it discussed often.
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