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Re: Jump back in time with HTML5

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Yeah, sure, you can do loads of awesome stuff with Flash. I think no one ever disputed that.

But are websites which use Flash for some of their important features really “the most awesome and innovative websites”? I, frankly, can only think of one, and that’s YouTube.

All the websites which make the web the web, seem, to me, not be dependent on Flash. eBay, amazon, Google, Facebook. And so on. Potential doesn’t matter so much when you don’t need the features.

Flash might die or it might not – but users (developers not so much, I think that’s perfectly alright) will have the ability to choose! Adobe should be super motivated to get mobile Flash right and Android is a viable competitor against iOS. (It’s really nice that history is not repeating itself. No utterly lame competitors like in the MP3 player market where a lack of competition lead Apple to produce the lamest iPods ever – except for the iPod touch, of course, the best iPod ever).

I will wait and see and not be too upset either way.

Re: Jump back in time with HTML5

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post #2

Yeah, sure, you can do loads of awesome stuff with Flash. I think no one ever disputed that. But are websites which use Flash for some of their important features really “the most awesome and innovative websites”? I, frankly, can only think of one, and that’s YouTube. All the websites which make the web the web, seem, to me, not be dependent on Flash. eBay, amazon, Google, Facebook. And so on. Potential doesn’t matte…

What makes that the web the web is that everything is possible (even if it's illegal)

Re: Jump back in time with HTML5

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post #4
post #2

Yeah, sure, you can do loads of awesome stuff with Flash. I think no one ever disputed that. But are websites which use Flash for some of their important features really “the most awesome and innovative websites”? I, frankly, can only think of one, and that’s YouTube. All the websites which make the web the web, seem, to me, not be dependent on Flash. eBay, amazon, Google, Facebook. And so on. Potential doesn’t matte…

What makes that the web the web is that everything is possible (even if it's illegal)

(Oh no! I didn’t want to cause some discussion about what’s the most important thing about the web. Really not! Those things tend to get ugly. That was a really bad phrase I picked there. What I meant was that many of the websites they linked to were niche websites focused on nice presentation. None of the websites everyone knows uses Flash for a major feature. I at least don’t know of any except YouTube.)

Re: Jump back in time with HTML5

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It's funny that the say that's the "wrong way" to do an image gallery, as image galleries in Flash are something that really annoy me, since it's so unnecessary. Luckily you don't really see them anymore.

Flickr has some awesome image galleries in pure javascript / html.

Re: Jump back in time with HTML5

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“There are ± 100 million websites out there with Flash content.”

Plus or minus?

Also, I tried to copy and paste that text from the footer but I couldn’t because it’s all wrapped up in Flash.

Re: Jump back in time with HTML5

#8
Great so flash has set the groundwork for this kind of capability.

But I'm confused as to the motivation behind this; certainly it highlights the fact that HTML5 is only just coming into beginning as a standard. That we are only just working to replace flash with totally open standards.

Beyond that I don't see a cohesive argument in favor of flash. It's mostly just mud throwing (note: I was equally derisive of Apples' "HTML5 rocks" nonsense).

Flash is, as far as I see it, a non-optimal solution to many things we have been using it for (video, scripting/gaming etc.). So working on alternatives is a great idea.

Re: Jump back in time with HTML5

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post #7

“There are ± 100 million websites out there with Flash content.” Plus or minus? Also, I tried to copy and paste that text from the footer but I couldn’t because it’s all wrapped up in Flash.

you can't open links in a new tab either; so the page also highlights areas where Flash is a nightmare and should be discouraged.

Re: Jump back in time with HTML5

#10
When viewed on an iPad:

" Apple loves to repeat history and made some supercool amazing examples that show you how the web was like 8 years ago with any browser equipped with Macromedia Flash 6. To recreate the full retro experience, Apple also developed the iPad, a tablet-device with a processor that could have blown your socks off 12 years ago. It's equipped with a browser that depends on HTML5. Due to the slow processor rich internet content will not play very smooth. However, comparable tablet-devices running Android 2.2 and the flash player 10.1 are able to show all the following Flash examples (marked TODAY) on this page. Just like the other 97% of all online users are used to. Too see the examples you need a normal computer with a normal browser. That's all."

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