You still need rich parents, because you're not allowed to work much to support yourself.
Hint: This is the same for every student. If you want to work full-time you need to make your studies half-time.
You mean a total of 1.5x full-time?
Why Germany Educates International Students for Free
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Re: Why Germany Educates International Students for Free
#32Another possible reason - they may well have little choice! Lists of top ranked universities are generally dominated by the US/UK. In this list the highest ranked German institution is at number 30: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankin... It's always going to be hard to charge the same as a competitor when your product is inferior.
You can't really think the instruction at these institutions is inferior. US are masters of hype and marketing and UK are masters of prestige.
Re: Why Germany Educates International Students for Free
#33Another possible reason - they may well have little choice! Lists of top ranked universities are generally dominated by the US/UK. In this list the highest ranked German institution is at number 30: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankin... It's always going to be hard to charge the same as a competitor when your product is inferior.
Most of the top universities in the US are effectively free. The pool of students they get to choose from would enter with a basket of scholarship money to the point they wouldn't have to pay. The other group is so wealthy the price of tuition is the cost of a new luxury car, every year. Effectively a single percentage expense.
Germany doesn't have to make their schools to compete free because the schools they compete against are basically free to the type of students they are pursuing.
Re: Why Germany Educates International Students for Free
#34You still need rich parents, because you're not allowed to work much to support yourself.
A German student visa allows you to work 120 days per year [0]. At minimum wage [1] that is about EUR 9,000 per year. I think there would be many international students who could support themselves with that. Standard of living would be low compared to Germans, but it's possible.
You do however need to show you have EUR 8,640 before you get the student visa [2]. Very poor families would not be able to borrow this amount, so it acts as a barrier for them.
[0] https://www.daad.de/deutschland/in-deutschland/arbeit/en/914...
[1] https://www.google.com.au/publicdata/explore?ds=ml9s8a132hlg...
[2] https://www.daad.de/deutschland/nach-deutschland/bewerbung/e...
Re: Why Germany Educates International Students for Free
#35Another possible reason - they may well have little choice! Lists of top ranked universities are generally dominated by the US/UK. In this list the highest ranked German institution is at number 30: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankin... It's always going to be hard to charge the same as a competitor when your product is inferior.
You can't really think the instruction at these institutions is inferior. US are masters of hype and marketing and UK are masters of prestige.
I'm just going by the rankings. There are several of these lists, and the overall picture is pretty similar - the best universities are judged to be US/UK, with the odd sprinkling of European/Asian in the top ranks.
Re: Why Germany Educates International Students for Free
#36Another possible reason - they may well have little choice! Lists of top ranked universities are generally dominated by the US/UK. In this list the highest ranked German institution is at number 30: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankin... It's always going to be hard to charge the same as a competitor when your product is inferior.
Most of the top universities in the US are effectively free. The pool of students they get to choose from would enter with a basket of scholarship money to the point they wouldn't have to pay. The other group is so wealthy the price of tuition is the cost of a new luxury car, every year. Effectively a single percentage expense. Germany doesn't have to make their schools to compete free because the schools they compet…
I see you contradict the very point you are trying to convey there, or I am misunderstanding you
Re: Why Germany Educates International Students for Free
#37Another possible reason - they may well have little choice! Lists of top ranked universities are generally dominated by the US/UK. In this list the highest ranked German institution is at number 30: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankin... It's always going to be hard to charge the same as a competitor when your product is inferior.
That’s not really true. The big issue is that these university rankings are based almost exclusively on intra-university research.
Generally said, Germany does NOT do University research.
Universities become members of research organizations, where many universities cooperate on some kinds of research, but basically all the research is done within of these organizations. Which means it’s not counted in university ranking.
- mp3, developed at Fraunhofer Institute, does not count for the university ranking of any of the universities the researchers work at.
- Wendelstein 7-X, a milestone in Fusion research at the university of Greifswald, does not count for the University of Greifswald.
Neither do any papers published about them. That’s the big issue of the university rankings.
Re: Why Germany Educates International Students for Free
#38Another possible reason - they may well have little choice! Lists of top ranked universities are generally dominated by the US/UK. In this list the highest ranked German institution is at number 30: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankin... It's always going to be hard to charge the same as a competitor when your product is inferior.
Top-ranked universities are outliers by definition. The average American university is probably as good or bad as the average German university and yet their tuitions are similar as for top-ranked universities and certainly higher than for any German university.
Re: Why Germany Educates International Students for Free
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
do you have to learn German? Why wouldn't you want to? It's a lovely country, with a huge body of literature that you'd deprive yourself of if you refuse to learn the language. And why isolate yourself from the locals? Weird attitude, that.
They didn't say they didn't want to did they? You imagined that. It'd be fantastic to be able to learn the languages of all the countries you visit, but not everyone finds that easy do they.
The OP didn't talk about visiting a country, he asked about settling in Germany. The words were "do you have to", not "I wish I could"; he made learning your adopted country's language sound like a chore instead of a challenge. Full immersion makes the learning process much easier.
Besides, taking citizenship of any country requires a language exam.
Re: Why Germany Educates International Students for Free
#40Another possible reason - they may well have little choice! Lists of top ranked universities are generally dominated by the US/UK. In this list the highest ranked German institution is at number 30: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankin... It's always going to be hard to charge the same as a competitor when your product is inferior.
Top-ranked universities are outliers by definition. The average American university is probably as good or bad as the average German university and yet their tuitions are similar as for top-ranked universities and certainly higher than for any German university.
Are you going to offer any evidence?