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Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by rsync »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #7

I think 2016 will go down as the high water mark for a global Internet. I see a lot of countries looking at the success of China in keeping political control, and the failure of Egypt, Tunisia, etc where the open Internet was used to overthrow the regime and deciding that allowing an open, free internet is not in their best interests. If you think that Western, liberal democracies are exempt from this, just look at t…

"I think 2016 will go down as the high water mark for a global Internet. I see a lot of countries looking at the success of China in keeping political control, and the failure of Egypt, Tunisia, etc where the open Internet was used to overthrow the regime and deciding that allowing an open, free internet is not in their best interests."

Peak Internet:

http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2010/12/peak-internet.h...

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by Permagate »

slowmotiony wrote: post #263
isostatic wrote: post #210

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People who haven't travelled read Islamic and think Saudi Arabia. Go to Indonesia and you'll find cheap beer and the only reason women wouldn't drive is the traffic is really bad.

What is the legal punishment for leaving or insulting islam in Indonesia?

People can sue you for insulting religion, there is a law for it (not specific to Islam, but religion in general). 99% of the times, this is a non-issue. People just don't care enough to bring the issue to court. However, if politic is involved, this can be used as a ground to discredit a politician. It is a hot topic this year before our capital's election, where one of the frontrunners was sued for allegedly insulting al-qur'an[1]

One other exception is if you live in Aceh. It is a special region in Indonesia which implements Islamic law to the tee.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2016_Jakarta_protests

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by ygaf »

m_fayer wrote: post #244
maxxxxx wrote: post #190

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When I lived in Germany a lot of the Turks I knew were very right wing. They were against asylum seekers and would have kicked out foreigners if they could have. The people in the US who are against big government while receiving government pensions remind me a little of that mindset.

This is a common phenomenon that's not very well known outside of immigrant communities. My family emigrated to the US from Russia in the mid 80s and quickly went hard-right, as did most of their cohort. Same for many Chinese immigrants to the US, Cubans, and I'm sure the list goes on. I never completely understood this. I guess it's partly a kneejerk reaction to the nominally left-wing repressive regimes they left b…

How did your family change, exactly?

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by spyder »

ardaozkal wrote: post #180
mino wrote: post #165

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> More than 63% voted yes in Germany for instance. I also was baffled about the results of the Turkish vote abroad. How is it possible that, in many EU states, they won which such a majority? I would have expected expats to be generally more liberal/globalist/progressive.

When you don't feel the effects of your vote, you don't care about what you vote. I feel like this was the case of the referendum.

If "you don't care about what you vote" you don't vote.

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by 1001101 »

biafra wrote: post #280
1001101 wrote: post #247

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He's holding millions of Syrian refugees and has threatened to send them to Europe if things don't go his way. Think European nationalism is bad now? You might not have a NATO after that.

We should refuse to be blackmailed by him. If he is that bad, those refugees are in danger in his hands. Europe has several rich countries that can easily handle the amount of refugees held hostage in Turkey.

Which rich countries do you propose 'easily' settle 2.7 million Syrian migrants? I'd like to tell you about their nationalist/neo-fascist candidates and their vision. Marine Le Pen, Victor Orban, Geert Wilders, Frauke Petry, Matteo Salvini, Norbert Hofer, etc. They're already building walls in Europe - in Norway, Greece, in the Western Balkans, Hungary. Border controls inside the Schengen area (I saw this first hand in Sweden a couple of weeks ago). We've already had Brexit. We could have Nexit, Frexit, Italexit, Grexit, and on. You might see a significant strain on the common currency, especially with some of the capital flight already going on. If anything close to 2.7 million refugees come to Europe at once, it's going to get _very_ ugly.

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by Kenji »

beloch wrote: post #31

I'm a canuck who has worked with Turks and has visited Turkey. They're a wonderful people from a beautiful country with a real problem of a person in power. Turkey is almost entirely Muslim, yet they produce alcohol and tolerate its consumption within their borders, even by their own people. Let that fact sink in for a moment. Erdogan is subverting the premier secular democracy of the Islamic world, but nobody seems…

>People in the West need to wake up and do their due diligence on Erdogan's regime. There's some seriously scary stuff happening because of this guy.

I am wide awake but I am not one of the idiot Turks who voted for this guy. What am I supposed to do if a foreign nation turns itself into an islamofascist dictatorship?

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by KON_Air »

beloch wrote: post #31

I'm a canuck who has worked with Turks and has visited Turkey. They're a wonderful people from a beautiful country with a real problem of a person in power. Turkey is almost entirely Muslim, yet they produce alcohol and tolerate its consumption within their borders, even by their own people. Let that fact sink in for a moment. Erdogan is subverting the premier secular democracy of the Islamic world, but nobody seems…

I'm Turk and living in Turkey and I can't name single positive thing about "that guy" or political islam in general.

Re: Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

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Post by candiodari »

cryptarch wrote: post #193
nebabyte wrote: post #140

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We're not a fucking monarchy. The entirety of the executive branch serves at the pleasure of the president. And he's entirely within his rights to shut programs down; that isn't censorship. Learn your definitions lest you serve as a strawman for the other side of the argument.

Erdogan is within his right to censor. Does that mean he does not censor?

Erdogan is preventing journalists and private individuals from publishing (or even talking about in some cases) their opinions. He does it to hide his own crimes.

This is obviously very different from shutting down a government program. Trump is the employer of those people. He can tell them what to do. They are free to go home and say whatever they want, even about these decisions (and they are, in fact doing that).

Censorship would be Trump arresting the journalists that reported this.

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