Turkey feels like an "North Korea" movie and we watch the "making of" part -- lmao
It's tragic I don't think it's funny.
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#12Meanwhile, in the U.S., the administration is taking down government websites in an effort to bury climate data and scientific information. Useful to remember it's not just countries like China and Turkey that try to limit citizens' access to information.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/20...
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#13Turkey feels like an "North Korea" movie and we watch the "making of" part -- lmao
Is this reddit or what, how come you find such thing entertaining which literally kills people?
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#14I think 2016 will go down as the high water mark for a global Internet. I see a lot of countries looking at the success of China in keeping political control, and the failure of Egypt, Tunisia, etc where the open Internet was used to overthrow the regime and deciding that allowing an open, free internet is not in their best interests. If you think that Western, liberal democracies are exempt from this, just look at t…
Yup, censorship is now a global trend. We shouldn't forget that it also happens in many Western countries such as Denmark, Finland, France, ... https://explorer.ooni.torproject.org/world/
And if we look in particular at government censorship of Wikipedia or some articles in it we find quiet a few Western countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_censorship_of_Wikip...
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#15Governments yield too much power, meanwhile citizens keep funding said governments with ridiculously high taxes. Trying to fix governments is counterproductive, just need to decentralize things imho.
What do you mean by "decentralise"? Smaller-scope government at a local level? Anarcho-syndicalism? I suspect many of the same issues would appear.
> What do you mean by "decentralise"? Smaller-scope government at a local level? Anarcho-syndicalism?
Yes.
> I suspect many of the same issues would appear.
Nope. When democracy is small enough, the leaders are very close to their voters. This changes everything. See small democratic countries, they do much better at being democratic! I think we can make it smaller, and have the democratic process at neighbourhood/village level. Then go up from there with committees filled with delegates from the local-democracies that are for a specific topic (hospitals in the region, roads, schools -- anything local-democracies want to collaborate with others upon). All taxation and voting should happen on the lowest level.
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#16What triggered this? Usually Turkish government blocks sites right after a terrorist attack or in the case of the coup attempt. Is something about to happen?
Maybe someone visited a page on him/her self, did not like it, and decided to to something about it.
Good thing: many people use this service so they now know even better what kind of govt they live under.
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#17What triggered this? Usually Turkish government blocks sites right after a terrorist attack or in the case of the coup attempt. Is something about to happen?
I'd say it is just some random court order, maybe somebody edited page of Erdoğan to add some insults, which gave ideas to some judge to get government reputation.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you mean by "decentralise"? Smaller-scope government at a local level? Anarcho-syndicalism? I suspect many of the same issues would appear.
> What do you mean by "decentralise"? Smaller-scope government at a local level? Anarcho-syndicalism? Yes. > I suspect many of the same issues would appear. Nope. When democracy is small enough, the leaders are very close to their voters. This changes everything. See small democratic countries, they do much better at being democratic! I think we can make it smaller, and have the democratic process at neighbourhood/vi…
But, eventually those "leaders" you seem to trust will find an enemy and unite to "fight" it.
I personally don't see why people even vote, I think the solution is to make sure the internet is protected from "leaders", not by voting and making temporary "rules" with the government, but by making sure it's global and decentralized.
Also, keep in mind that your idea of government won't protect the internet forever.
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#19https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dump_torrents#English_W... A data dump of all English Wikipedia articles as a torrent. In case you are not able to access that, here's the direct link: https://itorrents.org/torrent/6434C646E33D02F3CDCB9C15F9DF11... On a side note, I think it's fantastic that we have the entire Wikipedia, possibly the greatest effort towards organizing the world's information, at our fingertips.
> On a side note, I think it's fantastic that we have the entire Wikipedia, possibly the greatest effort towards organizing the world's information, at our fingertips.
While I totally agree with this, on another side note, I think it's terrible that we have web censorship at our fingertips.
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#20Governments yield too much power, meanwhile citizens keep funding said governments with ridiculously high taxes. Trying to fix governments is counterproductive, just need to decentralize things imho.
What do you mean by "decentralise"? Smaller-scope government at a local level? Anarcho-syndicalism? I suspect many of the same issues would appear.
If the architecture of society is distributed, then these issues won't appear.