There aren't really any facts here just pure emotion that you would hear in any industry where costs are cut. I've no idea how fairly these pilots are paid. But surely there are regulations about pilot rest just like on commercial flights. And a pilot cannot really pull heart strings about being away from home when they chose that line of work where your job is literally to be away from home all the time.
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, the emotional approach is what actually works in the vast majority of cases. Normal people don't connect with or understand facts. I think this might be a case of content audience mismatch.
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#63> We work long hours, fly in dangerous conditions and go through years of training, but we do it because we understand that our work is vital to keeping our economy humming. No. Pilots become pilots because they love flying and because it pays well (mostly the former). Haven't heard of any pilot who chose the job because it's important for the economy.
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#65He's a pilot, not an accountant or lawyer. He knows that there is pay pressure due to companies skirting regulations. That exec mgmt gets massive bonsuses while the pilots work very long hours and (probably unpaid) overtime offends one's sense of justice.
Pay has been stagnant for the vast majority of workers for decades. We should be doing something about it, not dismissing it. Capitalism is a great tool for progress, but it should not, and is not, the answer to everything. Human dignity matters.
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#66> At another DHL carrier, pilots went on strike for two days after a year of regularly being forced to cover overtime shifts due to short-staffing. Sounds like they need to do more of that. Is there a surplus of pilots waiting in line for jobs? This isn't the first time I've heard that pilots get paid very little and have to work incredibly long hours. Are there no unions?
I'd like them to define "forced", I don't think there really is any mechanism for an employer to compel anyone to do things. People learn to fly because they like flying, it is fun. Because people like to fly, the going rate for piloting is low. If people didn't like flying so much, the rates would be higher.
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#67The lack of empathy in the comments is disconcerting. The post is a bit light on details (though the example given of flying 23 hours back-to-back continental flights is terrible if regular) the post deserves better than: 1. Pilots fly for fun. You made the wrong career move. 2. Capitalism! 3. you're lucky - imagine if you were a warehouse worker. He's a pilot, not an accountant or lawyer. He knows that there is pay…
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#68> We work long hours, fly in dangerous conditions and go through years of training, but we do it because we understand that our work is vital to keeping our economy humming. No. Pilots become pilots because they love flying and because it pays well (mostly the former). Haven't heard of any pilot who chose the job because it's important for the economy.
Isn't this exactly the definition of capitalism and what is at the basis of the entire American economy? You can complain that a foreign company is hiring you for what you consider below-par payment, but unless you find a better paying job elsewhere, isn't this what capitalism is all about? Next to that - aren't American companies doing exactly the same? Why does IBM have more employees in India (80.000 I believe) th…
but it's disingenuous to claim you're motivated by something else in your pleading.
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#69There aren't really any facts here just pure emotion that you would hear in any industry where costs are cut. I've no idea how fairly these pilots are paid. But surely there are regulations about pilot rest just like on commercial flights. And a pilot cannot really pull heart strings about being away from home when they chose that line of work where your job is literally to be away from home all the time.
Industry costs magically cut while Bezos is almost the richest person on the planet. And Amazon is a behemoth doing incredibly well. Very competitive industry. Costs must be cut. Let's talk about the metrics. Employees live to work, if they are not working what's the point on their existence? /s To me all of this points to the need for unions to return. Without the threat of communism there is nothing to keep this cl…
The real thing about communism or capitalism isn't much about the merit of the idea in itself.
The quality of the political system that implements these ideas, efficiency of execution matters.
Re: DHL pilot alleges poor labor practices that are spreading throughout industry
#70The lack of empathy in the comments is disconcerting. The post is a bit light on details (though the example given of flying 23 hours back-to-back continental flights is terrible if regular) the post deserves better than: 1. Pilots fly for fun. You made the wrong career move. 2. Capitalism! 3. you're lucky - imagine if you were a warehouse worker. He's a pilot, not an accountant or lawyer. He knows that there is pay…