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DHL pilot alleges poor labor practices that are spreading throughout industry

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Re: DHL pilot alleges poor labor practices that are spreading throughout industry

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> At another DHL carrier, pilots went on strike for two days after a year of regularly being forced to cover overtime shifts due to short-staffing.

Sounds like they need to do more of that.

Is there a surplus of pilots waiting in line for jobs? This isn't the first time I've heard that pilots get paid very little and have to work incredibly long hours. Are there no unions?

Re: DHL pilot alleges poor labor practices that are spreading throughout industry

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> At another DHL carrier, pilots went on strike for two days after a year of regularly being forced to cover overtime shifts due to short-staffing. Sounds like they need to do more of that. Is there a surplus of pilots waiting in line for jobs? This isn't the first time I've heard that pilots get paid very little and have to work incredibly long hours. Are there no unions?

I'd like them to define "forced", I don't think there really is any mechanism for an employer to compel anyone to do things.

People learn to fly because they like flying, it is fun. Because people like to fly, the going rate for piloting is low. If people didn't like flying so much, the rates would be higher.

Re: DHL pilot alleges poor labor practices that are spreading throughout industry

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There aren't really any facts here just pure emotion that you would hear in any industry where costs are cut. I've no idea how fairly these pilots are paid. But surely there are regulations about pilot rest just like on commercial flights. And a pilot cannot really pull heart strings about being away from home when they chose that line of work where your job is literally to be away from home all the time.

I think transportation is an incredibly important (food!), but the way this is written seems incredibly tone-deaf. He should have focused on the facts (if there are any) about incident rates and length of time flying, instead of saying how his dream of connecting "our great country with the rest of the world" is being jeopardized.

The nature of commercial flying is such that actual incidents are pretty rare (150 or so a year recently[1]), and very very expensive. So taking the "data-driven" approach to pushing what's safe really isn't economically feasible, to say nothing of the ethics issues. Instead the principle of "if it seems unsafe, it's probably unsafe" applies. I believe the situation mentioned in the article of riding for fourteen hours then flying for nine is allowed by the FAA, but if the pilots aren't rested (reasonable after riding in a cargo plane for a day), then the airline shouldn't be asking them to fly.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_accidents_and_inciden...

Re: DHL pilot alleges poor labor practices that are spreading throughout industry

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The dividing line in jobs nowadays seems to be headquarters or operations, brain or hands. If you're in operations, you are already or will be optimized to the extent possible and permitted. Not pretty, but the modus operandi. Pilots are part of operations and not different to drivers or cleaning staff, even if they still consider themselves part of an elite.

Thank you for putting it into clear words. Seems like these things are more visible when the nice headquarter jobs exist in a different country. Guess how almost all countries where Amazon operates (all but one?) think about the qualities of Amazon as an employer...

Re: DHL pilot alleges poor labor practices that are spreading throughout industry

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> At another DHL carrier, pilots went on strike for two days after a year of regularly being forced to cover overtime shifts due to short-staffing. Sounds like they need to do more of that. Is there a surplus of pilots waiting in line for jobs? This isn't the first time I've heard that pilots get paid very little and have to work incredibly long hours. Are there no unions?

I'd like them to define "forced", I don't think there really is any mechanism for an employer to compel anyone to do things. People learn to fly because they like flying, it is fun. Because people like to fly, the going rate for piloting is low. If people didn't like flying so much, the rates would be higher.

That's news to me! Throughout my life I've subconsciously picked up that pilots are very well paid. Did I get the wrong impression?

Re: DHL pilot alleges poor labor practices that are spreading throughout industry

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like them to define "forced", I don't think there really is any mechanism for an employer to compel anyone to do things. People learn to fly because they like flying, it is fun. Because people like to fly, the going rate for piloting is low. If people didn't like flying so much, the rates would be higher.

That's news to me! Throughout my life I've subconsciously picked up that pilots are very well paid. Did I get the wrong impression?

Pilot pay varies widely depending on airline, seniority and rank. The big gap is between the regionals (low to mid five figures) and the major carriers (six figures).

http://pilotjobs.atpflightschool.com/2015/01/23/how-much-mon...

Re: DHL pilot alleges poor labor practices that are spreading throughout industry

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That reference about DHL being German doesn't sit nicely with me. Germany is much more socialist than the USA.

All the more experience with applying the subcontractor mechanism to squeeze transportation services.

Re: DHL pilot alleges poor labor practices that are spreading throughout industry

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like them to define "forced", I don't think there really is any mechanism for an employer to compel anyone to do things. People learn to fly because they like flying, it is fun. Because people like to fly, the going rate for piloting is low. If people didn't like flying so much, the rates would be higher.

That's news to me! Throughout my life I've subconsciously picked up that pilots are very well paid. Did I get the wrong impression?

Depends on the airline. Pilots of major legacy carriers (and not their low-cost spin-offs) are typically really well paid (sometimes excessively so). In Germany I'm aware of cases of >500k$ annually for end-of-their-career pilots. I believe the situation in the US is similar. However, pilots of low-cost carriers earn significantly less. In Europe I heard of salaries in the range of 50k$ annually. I would guess cargo carriers that are not 100% subsidiaries of legacy carriers are closer to low-cost carriers in their salaries

Re: DHL pilot alleges poor labor practices that are spreading throughout industry

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Welcome to the world of competitive market. This is how capitalism works.

This article is filled with emotion and lack of facts. You express how difficult your job is however 80% of the time the computer is doing all of your job. This is why a lot of tech companies are focusing on AI driving/flying automation. Of course it is good to have a pilot on the plain but very little is done now days by him. You only bear the responsibility(not that it is little).

You have few actions: - Make sure all pilots are on the same page as you and put on a strike (Create Demand in the face of Amazon) - If others are OK with the working condition then problem is with yourself. You need to provide something more to the table than flying skills - teaching, management, experience.

Stop blaming businesses, they have a very predictable morality - profit.

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