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SourceTree for Windows 2.0

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Re: SourceTree for Windows 2.0

#51

Post by socialist_coder »

RandoSTDev wrote: post #35
nmeofthestate wrote: post #19

Have they got rid of the treeview of repos? That was a vital feature. I never used the tabs because they didn't all fit on screen, and the tab UI doesn't allow you to distinguish between different repos with the same name. Ironically they seem to have adopted what I considered the worst feature of Git Kraken. Oh, and it let you see all your repos' status (what branches are checked out) at a glance. This is such a pai…

ST dev for Windows here. How many repo do you typically work with at once? Would it help to show the "ahead/behind" indications in the tab headers?

Dude, you gotta fix the little arrows that let you scroll the tab bar. Each click just scrolls it like 10% of a tab so it takes 10 clicks to move it 1 tab. This is ridiculous.

Personally, I have a 2560x1440 monitor and I keep ST on it fullscreen. I usually have ~7 repos open but sometimes need to open up to 15. I can fit 11 tabs but look at how much wasted space is in each tab: https://www.screencast.com/t/vKrSNe5APy

On the older version of ST, like 1.5 or something, the tabs were only as big as the name of the repo so each tab was much smaller. This worked great.

Alternatively, make the tabs just add extra rows so instead of having a scrolling list, the tab bar grows vertically instead.

Re: SourceTree for Windows 2.0

#52

Post by socialist_coder »

socialist_coder wrote: post #39

This seems like a great update to me. Much speedier than 1.x and the removal of the repo sidebar doesn't seem like it actually matters. It's 1 additional click to access your repo list but it seems like a good tradeoff for a bit more horizontal space. Another positive change is the tab bar now occupies the entire horizontal space so you can fit a few more repos in. But, the tabs are still super wide (much wider than…

It's so much faster. I'm very pleased with the speed improvements. Every time I click on something it's almost instant. Before, not so much. Great job Atlassian!

Re: SourceTree for Windows 2.0

#53

Post by socialist_coder »

ArchReaper wrote: post #17

The last several times I tried to update Sourcetree, it got significantly worse, with features and functionality being silently removed or broken left and right. Every UI 'improvement' they made felt backwards to me. Simple quality of life things like being able to drag files between the staged/unstaged area just stopped working. Then, trying to guess/figure out the correct previous version you were running that had…

> I have a lot of projects, scrolling through tabs at the top is not good enough

I think you are misunderstanding how the new flow is for repo viewing.

The tab (+) button is the replacement for the sidebar repo list. You are not expected to open every single repo and have them all as a separate tab. You are expected to open a reasonable amount of repos at once, do work with them, and then close them. If you want to look at other repos, you open them via the tab (+) button.

I don't think its that big of a deal to change it like that.

That's not to say this I think this is a perfect app. What I want them to improve is making it a bit nicer when you have more than ~10 repos open at once. The tabs are way too wide and scrolling through them is terrible with the way the scroll buttons work right now.

Re: SourceTree for Windows 2.0

#54

Post by socialist_coder »

I like this new version a lot (it's so much faster!) but after having used it all morning, I'm noticing something that I really do not like.

If I click on a changed file to see the diff, the diff text shows up almost immediately, but it's blurry. Then, gradually the blurry text is replaced by sharp text about .5 seconds later. It's really nasty to see it and I feel like it's messing with my eyes and brain.

Is there any way to tweak this behavior? I feel like I would rather just see nothing until it can render it sharply.

Re: SourceTree for Windows 2.0

#56

Post by ArchReaper »

socialist_coder wrote: post #53
ArchReaper wrote: post #17

The last several times I tried to update Sourcetree, it got significantly worse, with features and functionality being silently removed or broken left and right. Every UI 'improvement' they made felt backwards to me. Simple quality of life things like being able to drag files between the staged/unstaged area just stopped working. Then, trying to guess/figure out the correct previous version you were running that had…

> I have a lot of projects, scrolling through tabs at the top is not good enough I think you are misunderstanding how the new flow is for repo viewing. The tab (+) button is the replacement for the sidebar repo list. You are not expected to open every single repo and have them all as a separate tab. You are expected to open a reasonable amount of repos at once, do work with them, and then close them. If you want to l…

Does the (+) button open a file-open prompt, or is it a list of all previously opened projects?

If it's the former, then it's absolutely useless for my use-case, and a great example of removed functionality.

If it's the latter, then they have gone backwards in UX design (for my personal use case) - that is, it is now an additional layer of barrier for me to see and access all my projects, for what benefit? What problem is this solving?

If the only answer to the previous question is something to the effect of "cleaner UI" or "less clutter" then there is a fundamental problem with how they approach updates.

It really sucks that this is even a thing, because I feel bad for shitting on Atlassian so much, when I use Sourcetree almost exclusively, and have for quite a long time.

Re: SourceTree for Windows 2.0

#57

Post by jschumacher »

mightykan wrote: post #46
ArchReaper wrote: post #17

The last several times I tried to update Sourcetree, it got significantly worse, with features and functionality being silently removed or broken left and right. Every UI 'improvement' they made felt backwards to me. Simple quality of life things like being able to drag files between the staged/unstaged area just stopped working. Then, trying to guess/figure out the correct previous version you were running that had…

Honestly, they’ve been pulling the same crap on the Mac version, too. It’s like they purposely went about crippling their own app and making it worse in every way. Every version that comes out is uglier and has less functionality than before. And of course Atlassian could care less. They completely stopped responding on Twitter and started deleting all negative comments on their SourceTree blog. I have an older versi…

I think it's worth mentioning that Atlassian does care, which should show in this new version and the time and effort we have put in to make SourceTree faster and more reliable.

One of our goals over the past couple of years was to simplify SourceTree and make it easier for developers to get started with Git. Admittedly we did not always hit the right balance, but you can be sure we care and listen.

We didn't remove the negative comments from our blog, we removed all comments from our blog to minimise the number of channels on which people engage in discussions. Sorry if it created a perception that we don't care, it's quite the opposite.

Cheers, Jens

Re: SourceTree for Windows 2.0

#58

Post by jschumacher »

tajen wrote: post #37
contingencies wrote: post #31

Used to pay for this before it was acquired by Atlassian. Never used it since. Thought I might try, given the major new version number, but... You will be prompted for your Atlassian account details. You only have to login once to complete your registration. No thanks. Be warned, paying users upgrading from 2.x to current 2.3.x will be forced to sign up.

And in Atlassian's license, section 12: "You will not publicly disseminate information regarding the performance of the Products.". Enables trust a lot... https://www.atlassian.com/legal/customer-agreement

Let me follow up with our legal team to see why that's in there. Sometimes there is a good "legal" reason for these terms that are not quite obvious to the rest of us.

To the earlier comment, we have gotten a lot of feedback in regards to the sign-up to Atlassian Account. The fact is that you always required a license, so you had to sign-up anyway. But we took the license away and streamlined the sign-up into the product (yes, there are issues with people behind firewalls that we will have to address).

Personally, I don't think requiring an account is asking too much for a free product and down the road it will help us to provide a more seamless integration for people who use other Atlassian tools as well.

Cheers, Jens

Re: SourceTree for Windows 2.0

#59

Post by Sujan »

ArchReaper wrote: post #56
socialist_coder wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have a lot of projects, scrolling through tabs at the top is not good enough I think you are misunderstanding how the new flow is for repo viewing. The tab (+) button is the replacement for the sidebar repo list. You are not expected to open every single repo and have them all as a separate tab. You are expected to open a reasonable amount of repos at once, do work with them, and then close them. If you want to l…

Does the (+) button open a file-open prompt, or is it a list of all previously opened projects? If it's the former, then it's absolutely useless for my use-case, and a great example of removed functionality. If it's the latter, then they have gone backwards in UX design (for my personal use case) - that is, it is now an additional layer of barrier for me to see and access all my projects, for what benefit? What probl…

I agree that they mangled your use case, but think this is a pretty great improvement for probably >95% of their users.

Most users do have not that many repos and work on only very few a day. The former UI had two ways to switch repos, and to be honest it happened quite often to me that I had selected a repo on the left, but not the tab, and so was looking at the wrong stuff for a few seconds.

So I see your pain, but have to agree with the thinking behind this change.

(Although I think the new repo selection screen is not very pretty, misses functionality [I can see all my folder opened at the same time] and wastes so much space - it should have just been like the old repo list but in a different location)

Re: SourceTree for Windows 2.0

#60

Post by agumonkey »

djsumdog wrote: post #30
agumonkey wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

God I thought it was the source tree of MS Windows 2.x. So disappointed. #grammar

I could tell what they were saying, but my inner grammar Nazi kicked in as well.

I wasn't into grammar nazi mode, more nostalgia nazi mode.
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