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Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by xapata »

Trundle wrote: post #159
xapata wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the same way it's possible to have strong ethics and yet be comfortable with "honor killings."

In the sense that moral relativism is a thing yes. A big difference being acceptance within modern western culture. I'd assume (hope) there is a minuscule amount of people for honor killings while it appears to me quite common to not give two hoots about IP outside of fear of legal consequences.

We must hang out with different folks. Everyone I know thinks that an author deserves payment for their work if they wish.

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by encoderer »

jstandard wrote: post #154
encoderer wrote: post #43

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Oh, I'm not. But I don't think the other Maps engineers took home $100 Million. Google clearly thought it was in their best interest, but I stand by what I said: As an engineer, the most well beaten path to wealth is building something that sells. To get paid and not even have to do that is itself something of an accomplishment, though not one I'd be very proud of.

Just curious, do you have an inside scoop on what value he's brought to Google and other companies? In these types of situations where a lot of money is involved, I've noticed folks are pretty quick to vilify someone with little information aside from the heavily biased info that leaks into the news. While $120MM in a vacuum does sound ridiculous, it's hard to know (or even put a price on) his true value without unde…

I think I've not made myself clear. I don't vilify $100mm pay days. Honestly engineering doesn't usually take home what I think it deserves. But to get $120 mill and be building competing startups the entire time seems pretty sleazy. I don't know where I'd draw the line of "you are being fully compensated for your time" but I'd say $10+ mill a year clears it.

Also, if they valued his equity grants at $120mm and he held much, he likely netted far more.

Not many words would be written about his pay day if he made a clean break from google before building a competing product.

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by toomuchtodo »

ganoushoreilly wrote: post #89
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #63

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Yep. That's Juicero level money.

I'm stealing this as my new expensive / large sum replacement

Make sure to emphasize at the same time with making motions with your hands like you're squeezing a bag of juice.

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by [deleted] »

xapata wrote: post #161
Trundle wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the sense that moral relativism is a thing yes. A big difference being acceptance within modern western culture. I'd assume (hope) there is a minuscule amount of people for honor killings while it appears to me quite common to not give two hoots about IP outside of fear of legal consequences.

We must hang out with different folks. Everyone I know thinks that an author deserves payment for their work if they wish.

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Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by kainolophobia »

kainolophobia wrote: post #120

A lot of people are blaming Levandwoski for deceiving Google as though he were some sort of evil mastermind. Given the lack of care he's taken to hide from these inevitable accusations, one must question the intelligence of his actions. Instead, I think there might be a more simple explanation. Levandowski is clearly a brilliant character. Is it possible that he's not trying to maximize monetary gain but is instead o…

Edit: Just to clarify, I don't agree with anything Levandwoski has done and both he and Uber should face repercussions for their actions. With that said, there's a lot of "conspiracy"-esque hype around this guy that I think may be undeserved. Everyone here seems to be focused on his monetary motivations for acting as he did; I'm simply trying to offer an alternative viewpoint that could explain the situation outside of pure financial gain.

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by enneff »

rsp1984 wrote: post #81
sanguy wrote: post #52

Anthony is overrated and a complete psychopath. He doesn't understand it's basic right from wrong. In his mind IP is boundless and his, not Googles. This comes from 5 years of working in fairly close contact. Zero morals. He is what's wrong with Silicon Valley - on equal grounds to Travis from Uber. I can completely see this all being planned for years just like circumventing the iPhone App Store rules. As a Google s…

My impression from working at Google was that lack of respect for property is unfortunately part of Google's culture. I've met this mindset on many occasions, so this whole lawsuit, as well as the fact that Levandowski was allowed to rise high at the company, doesn't surprise me a bit. It's just that in this case it was one of their own engineers using it against them, for a change.

> lack of respect for property is unfortunately part of Google's culture

I've been at Google for more than 7 years and I would not characterize the attitude of any of my colleagues (junior or senior) in this way. If anything, it's the total opposite.

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by ryandrake »

hyperbovine wrote: post #108
waqf wrote: post #92

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For nine-figure fraud? What would you propose instead? (It's fraud when you take advantage by ignoring the established legal rules that everyone else is playing by, however suboptimal those rules are.)

Exactly. People routinely get jail time for three orders of magnitude less fraud.

Someone went to prison for stealing $31 in candy bars [1]. At least he only got 2 years: he faced life in prison.

1: http://www.nola.com/traffic/index.ssf/2016/07/candy_thief_an...

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by sgift »

throwaway90125 wrote: post #144

There is also a supposed conversation between him and Larry Page before he left. From what I've read, Larry supposedly knew a lot about the circumstances of his leaving, and what transpired in that meeting supposedly will undermine Waymo's position. He's being deposed, but apparently Uber is only allowed to ask him one question, which is odd. Edit: downvoted as expected. I bet that 9 out of 10 people upvoting these s…

I must be number 10 then. No connection to Google, just don't think hearsay is helpful/interesting.

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Post by atomical »

jacquesm wrote: post #24
atomical wrote: post #14

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Maybe Google should hire him back.

Why on earth would they ever do that? Why would anybody hire him? He may be good but he's also damaged goods with a serious trust issue attached to his name. Hire me and you'll get sued by the largest tech companies on the planet is not a really good opener for a job interview.

They should hire him back to get some of Uber's secrets because of his duplicity. That was the joke.
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