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Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Maybe Google should hire him back.

Why on earth would they ever do that? Why would anybody hire him? He may be good but he's also damaged goods with a serious trust issue attached to his name. Hire me and you'll get sued by the largest tech companies on the planet is not a really good opener for a job interview.

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Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Worth remembering that Google paid this guy over $120 Million in compensation. He is a tech "1%"er, which really is saying a lot. That is hedge fund money.

I'm not certain, but I think the average engineer would feel more loyalty to a company that has given them multi-generational wealth.

I'm all for engineers getting paid, but in this case the guy didn't even have to do what most wealthy engineers do: deliver an actual successful product to market.

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Worth remembering that Google paid this guy over $120 Million in compensation. He is a tech "1%"er, which really is saying a lot. That is hedge fund money. I'm not certain, but I think the average engineer would feel more loyalty to a company that has given them multi-generational wealth. I'm all for engineers getting paid, but in this case the guy didn't even have to do what most wealthy engineers do: deliver an act…

I think his exceptionalism can be accounted for based on the lawsuit.

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Presumption of innocence. You have to assume that the people are innocent until they are proven guilty. If you fired Levandowski and win the case, then he sues. If you leave him in place and you're found guilty, there are extra damages because you were "notified" and you still didn't stop his work. So you move him off to the side, wait for the trial to resolve. And then figure out what to do with him, which will be e…

> You have to assume that the people are innocent until they are proven guilty. You only have to do that when you are the trier of fact (jury in a jury trial, judge in a bench trial) in a criminal prosecution. Outside of that, the rules are different. > If you fired Levandowski and win the case, then he sues. And loses, because at-will employment, and being suspected, even wrongly, of civil wrongdoing creating liabil…

Yeah, I am always confused by people who seem to think you need a good reason to fire someone. In almost every state, this isn't the case; as long as you don't fire someone for one of the defined illegal reasons, you are fine. You can fire someone because you flipped a coin, or because you just felt like firing someone.

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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That would be hilarious (the Patentshield application). It is also rare to have one of these disputes happening with such wide visibility. And reading the coverage so far it sounds like Levandowski chose to interpret the meaning of his employment agreement with Google much more charitably than Google does (which is somewhat expected on Google's part). I went back and looked at mine from 2006 (which was the year earli…

It's all the more interesting because Google makes it ridiculously easy to ask for that permission and get a legally unambiguous go or no go for any side projects. It's not like this would have been murky waters.

there was a joke posting on an internal alias that showed the internal /etc/aliases file for Google which had the mailing list going to '|/usr/bin/no'[1] :) I would be interested to know if anyone still there had ever tried that and gotten a yes answer. The three times I used the process it was always denied.

[1] To understand the meta-joke there is actually a /usr/bin/yes program but in the standard distribution there isn't a /usr/bin/no :-)

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Can this conceivably make a difference at this late stage? Genuinely curious. Surely if a judge accepts the theory that Levandowski helped Uber's program along with stolen IP, having him 'no longer working on the program' at this stage would have to look like window dressing. Doesn't it just make them look worse, like they are admitting that there's a problem?

A damages award could be large enough to change the economics of Uber's project.

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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It's all the more interesting because Google makes it ridiculously easy to ask for that permission and get a legally unambiguous go or no go for any side projects. It's not like this would have been murky waters.

there was a joke posting on an internal alias that showed the internal /etc/aliases file for Google which had the mailing list going to '|/usr/bin/no'[1] :) I would be interested to know if anyone still there had ever tried that and gotten a yes answer. The three times I used the process it was always denied. [1] To understand the meta-joke there is actually a /usr/bin/yes program but in the standard distribution the…

Calling

  /usr/bin/yes no
will yield you a working "no" program :).

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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That's just Uber trying avoid having their self-driving car department shut-down. But it could definitely still happen. Maybe Uber should apply to Google's 'PatentShield' program ;)

That would be the end of uber... not immediately, but it would seal their fate.

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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there was a joke posting on an internal alias that showed the internal /etc/aliases file for Google which had the mailing list going to '|/usr/bin/no'[1] :) I would be interested to know if anyone still there had ever tried that and gotten a yes answer. The three times I used the process it was always denied. [1] To understand the meta-joke there is actually a /usr/bin/yes program but in the standard distribution the…

Calling /usr/bin/yes no will yield you a working "no" program :).

I'm disappointed that symlinking to 'no' still produces 'y' when called. Oh well, that'll have to be an alias then.

Also, /usr/bin/yes will echo anything you give it.

Re: Uber’s Anthony Levandowski out as Advanced Technologies lead amid legal fight

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Worth remembering that Google paid this guy over $120 Million in compensation. He is a tech "1%"er, which really is saying a lot. That is hedge fund money. I'm not certain, but I think the average engineer would feel more loyalty to a company that has given them multi-generational wealth. I'm all for engineers getting paid, but in this case the guy didn't even have to do what most wealthy engineers do: deliver an act…

> I'm all for engineers getting paid, but in this case the guy didn't even have to do what most wealthy engineers do: deliver an actual successful product to market.

Anthony's efforts led to Streetview and Maps improvements. Waymo is still using his LIDAR research. I think Anthony is totally screwed with this lawsuit, but I wouldn't belittle his engineering accomplishments.

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