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Re: Want to rescue rural America? Bust monopolies

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Post by whopa » Wed, Apr 26, 2017, 2:07 PM UTC

burntsushi wrote: post #181

whopa wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who can't distinguish between the meaningful impact of the differences between the two parties approach to health care are not paying attention or willfully ignorant. Bringing out the trope perpetuates this. It's a real problem.

I'm trying to explain a perspective that is clearly different from yours. You're free to reject it of course, but snubbing your nose at it doesn't seem productive. It certainly won't make it go away, no matter how much you declare it to be a trope. > not paying attention or willfully ignorant I love how you've left out a third choice, which is, "they just disagree with me and my own economic forecasts." You know you'…

I'm specifically not making a value judgment on the approaches of the two parties. Health care is a complicated topic, and there are many approaches of with pros and cons to each. All I'm saying is that the parties have fairly different approaches to the issue, which are meaningful, due to some fundamental principles on which they differ.

You've been saying how there's a perspective where they do not meaningfully differ, but you have not actually articulated how that perspective is valid. My position is that this perspective is not valid, and recent events with the AHCA have made this very clear.

Re: Want to rescue rural America? Bust monopolies

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Post by whopa » Wed, Apr 26, 2017, 2:11 PM UTC

rndmize wrote: post #158

whopa wrote: post #82

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Health care is squarely an economic/business issue that affects nearly everybody, and there are clear, meaningful differences between the two parties here.

I continually heard some years back that Obamacare was basically Romneycare which was basically the Republican plan from the Clinton years. Further, as we can see from the current state of things, the Republicans might say they hate Obamacare, but now that they have a chance to repeal it and put their own plan in place, they've failed continually. There's no politically-tenable position to move further rightward unle…

The Democrats adopted Romneycare with some tweaks as a compromise effort. They view it as a starting point, not the end goal. Any attempts to move beyond that starting point were obstructed by Republicans.

The AHCA failed due to a small handful of Republicans rejecting it, with one part of that handful complaining that it wasn't pulled rightward enough, and the rest actually realizing that going rightward wasn't politically-tenable as you said. Most of the party was totally fine with the AHCA.

Re: Want to rescue rural America? Bust monopolies

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Post by burntsushi » Thu, Apr 27, 2017, 3:52 PM UTC

whopa wrote: post #351

burntsushi wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm trying to explain a perspective that is clearly different from yours. You're free to reject it of course, but snubbing your nose at it doesn't seem productive. It certainly won't make it go away, no matter how much you declare it to be a trope. > not paying attention or willfully ignorant I love how you've left out a third choice, which is, "they just disagree with me and my own economic forecasts." You know you'…

I'm specifically not making a value judgment on the approaches of the two parties. Health care is a complicated topic, and there are many approaches of with pros and cons to each. All I'm saying is that the parties have fairly different approaches to the issue, which are meaningful, due to some fundamental principles on which they differ. You've been saying how there's a perspective where they do not meaningfully dif…

The next time you want to have a conversation with someone that disagrees with you, you might want to consider not calling them an idiot. Namely, you haven't articulated anything either. No value judgments? Please. The subtext of your comments is oozing with value judgments.