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An analysis of the Nomx secure communications device

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Re: An analysis of the Nomx secure communications device

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Post by cronjobber »

socket0 wrote: post #19

I find these kinds of stories infuriating (and just a bit frustrating). Charlatans repackage, rebrand, and repurpose FOSS, then sell them at an unrealistic markup to unsuspecting dupes. Anything from PABX or VoIP systems based on Asterisk, through overly complex CMS's based on Wordpress. I'm not sure what riles me more: consumers being ripped off by these products, or the fact that my strengths lie in tech rather tha…

The FSF has always made clear that they don't have any problem with people selling Free Software; it's about freedom, not low low price.

(What infuriates me about this story is that it reminds me of how far companies like Google have destroyed Mail as a protocol usable without their intermediation. Use Googlemail or get your mails spam-binned.)

Re: An analysis of the Nomx secure communications device

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Post by timthelion »

The real story here, is that if you try to set up your mail server so that you can send mail to a microsoft email server such as live or hotmail, you eventually end up here where they ask for a bribe: https://returnpath.com/solutions/email-deliverability-optimi...

Nomx may be terrible, but it's not their fault you can't send mail to hotmail.com

Edit: here is the price list for sending mail to hotmail.com https://returnpath.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Return-Pat...

Re: An analysis of the Nomx secure communications device

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Post by Faaak »

timthelion wrote: post #32

The real story here, is that if you try to set up your mail server so that you can send mail to a microsoft email server such as live or hotmail, you eventually end up here where they ask for a bribe: https://returnpath.com/solutions/email-deliverability-optimi... Nomx may be terrible, but it's not their fault you can't send mail to hotmail.com Edit: here is the price list for sending mail to hotmail.com https://retu…

That's strange: I have my own hosted mail server (on a static home IP) and I haven't had a problem with hotmail (but I've got DKIM, reverse DNS, and SPF configured)

Re: An analysis of the Nomx secure communications device

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Post by adrianN »

socket0 wrote: post #19

I find these kinds of stories infuriating (and just a bit frustrating). Charlatans repackage, rebrand, and repurpose FOSS, then sell them at an unrealistic markup to unsuspecting dupes. Anything from PABX or VoIP systems based on Asterisk, through overly complex CMS's based on Wordpress. I'm not sure what riles me more: consumers being ripped off by these products, or the fact that my strengths lie in tech rather tha…

If the software package they sell wouldn't be utterly useless crap and instead worked as advertised, I don't think the price would be too high.

Re: An analysis of the Nomx secure communications device

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Post by timthelion »

Faaak wrote: post #33
timthelion wrote: post #32

The real story here, is that if you try to set up your mail server so that you can send mail to a microsoft email server such as live or hotmail, you eventually end up here where they ask for a bribe: https://returnpath.com/solutions/email-deliverability-optimi... Nomx may be terrible, but it's not their fault you can't send mail to hotmail.com Edit: here is the price list for sending mail to hotmail.com https://retu…

That's strange: I have my own hosted mail server (on a static home IP) and I haven't had a problem with hotmail (but I've got DKIM, reverse DNS, and SPF configured)

I have it all configured and I still cannot send mail to my parents. Though maybe having a Czech domain name doesn't help. The strange thing, is that the bounce emails directly link to the website asking for the bribe.

Re: An analysis of the Nomx secure communications device

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Post by [deleted] »

timthelion wrote: post #35
Faaak wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's strange: I have my own hosted mail server (on a static home IP) and I haven't had a problem with hotmail (but I've got DKIM, reverse DNS, and SPF configured)

I have it all configured and I still cannot send mail to my parents. Though maybe having a Czech domain name doesn't help. The strange thing, is that the bounce emails directly link to the website asking for the bribe.

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Re: An analysis of the Nomx secure communications device

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Post by cwyers »

timthelion wrote: post #32

The real story here, is that if you try to set up your mail server so that you can send mail to a microsoft email server such as live or hotmail, you eventually end up here where they ask for a bribe: https://returnpath.com/solutions/email-deliverability-optimi... Nomx may be terrible, but it's not their fault you can't send mail to hotmail.com Edit: here is the price list for sending mail to hotmail.com https://retu…

That's not a bribe. E-mail has become a real tragedy of the commons.

Re: An analysis of the Nomx secure communications device

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Post by timthelion »

cwyers wrote: post #37
timthelion wrote: post #32

The real story here, is that if you try to set up your mail server so that you can send mail to a microsoft email server such as live or hotmail, you eventually end up here where they ask for a bribe: https://returnpath.com/solutions/email-deliverability-optimi... Nomx may be terrible, but it's not their fault you can't send mail to hotmail.com Edit: here is the price list for sending mail to hotmail.com https://retu…

That's not a bribe. E-mail has become a real tragedy of the commons.

It is a bribe, given that you are allowed to send SPAM if you pay up. This isn't an attempt to prevent SPAM, it is actually a policy that allows you to do so if you pay.

Re: An analysis of the Nomx secure communications device

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Post by boudin »

Faaak wrote: post #33
timthelion wrote: post #32

The real story here, is that if you try to set up your mail server so that you can send mail to a microsoft email server such as live or hotmail, you eventually end up here where they ask for a bribe: https://returnpath.com/solutions/email-deliverability-optimi... Nomx may be terrible, but it's not their fault you can't send mail to hotmail.com Edit: here is the price list for sending mail to hotmail.com https://retu…

That's strange: I have my own hosted mail server (on a static home IP) and I haven't had a problem with hotmail (but I've got DKIM, reverse DNS, and SPF configured)

That's exactly what make this kind of home mail server box impossible on dynamic IP and even on most of ISP providing static IP. As long as you can't set the reverse DNS for your IP, mails will be rejected.

Re: An analysis of the Nomx secure communications device

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Post by whostolemyhat »

timthelion wrote: post #38
cwyers wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a bribe. E-mail has become a real tragedy of the commons.

It is a bribe, given that you are allowed to send SPAM if you pay up. This isn't an attempt to prevent SPAM, it is actually a policy that allows you to do so if you pay.

It's an additional hurdle - spammers would need to invest at least $400 up-front, which would put off a good many of them.
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