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Suicide of an Uber engineer: Widow blames job stress

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Re: Suicide of an Uber engineer: Widow blames job stress

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Doesn't help when you have notice period of 2 months

if you feel so shitty about work that you're getting suicidal im sure a doctor/psychologist will write you a doctors note for those 2 months

That note probably won't do much for your mental health if you _know_ what's on the other side of your break. I think the OPs advice is pretty sound, give yourself some options.

Re: Suicide of an Uber engineer: Widow blames job stress

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Well said. I've worked at 3 start-ups and at all of them I've worked long, grueling hours with the most recent one I was doing at least 65 hours a week (typically longer especially with a 3+ hour commute). I became severely burned out to the point where I didn't want to look for work or do much of anything. I was depressed and had severe anxiety. I went to the hospital with an anxiety attack so strong that I literall…

Ha! Funny you say that. When I was laid off the job I was stuck at because of the visa situation, my colleagues thought I had gone insane because I was so obviously happy and smiling right after getting the news. The fact is, it was such a huge relief to be shot of that dysfunction-personified environment that I thought, and I quote, "This is one of the best days of my life!" The twist in the tail was that I had just…

That's brilliant, very happy for you!

When I was made redundant from my last job, which was a very toxic place, I was extremely happy as well - seeing as I no longer had to work for those people.

Needed the redundancy payment for the time to get myself back in mental shape, though... and then to find a new job.

I feel sad for the family of the Uber engineer.

Re: Suicide of an Uber engineer: Widow blames job stress

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I hate to be the asshole here but, this is (unusual as it may seem) not ubers fault.

I get that the guy didn't like his job there, I probably wouldn't either, but there's this thing called "quiting", that he could've tried instead of suicide.

As a software engineer I really doubt he didn't have any other options available. By that I mean I know for a fact he had a ton of other options available.

sad story, but his suicide is his own damn mistake.

Re: Suicide of an Uber engineer: Widow blames job stress

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Man, this really hit home. That guy's life could have been mine. I had this almost this same experience 2 years ago (we were at the job for the same length of time even, five months), and it led to a long period of depression for me. I didn't kill myself, but I have to tell you, I could see how someone could. In my circumstance I interviewed as a Senior Engineer, and got offered a Lead engineer position because appar…

You should name the company that treated you so badly. They would likely continue such treatment to others who are on visa.

Re: Suicide of an Uber engineer: Widow blames job stress

#175

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Well said. I've worked at 3 start-ups and at all of them I've worked long, grueling hours with the most recent one I was doing at least 65 hours a week (typically longer especially with a 3+ hour commute). I became severely burned out to the point where I didn't want to look for work or do much of anything. I was depressed and had severe anxiety. I went to the hospital with an anxiety attack so strong that I literall…

This is why I am highly sceptical of start ups, and it would take a helluva a lot for someone to convince me to join another. I prefer big corps, as its possible to control you work load a little more and transfer internally if you get a bad boss.

I work at a startup and leave after eight hours. They're not all bad.

Re: Suicide of an Uber engineer: Widow blames job stress

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I think we are missing some information here: "All suggested that he leave his job, but he was adamant that he could not. " The question is why? what conditions need to occur where a man who most likely can get another job easily enough and who has switched jobs before decides that ending his life his a better course of action then switching jobs. They wrote that he eventually saw a psychiatrist, was he prescribed SS…

I know some people, especially women, in this situation right now. They are under tremendous stress at work, sometimes marginalized or bullied. But they are forced to stick through it due to equity agreements. Leaving means some wont see their equity grants vest. Some may be forced into major tax payments if they leave (due to options.) And some lose it alltogether. The way these things work, sometimes you end up pay…

>But they are forced to stick through it due to equity agreements.

That isn't what 'forced' means. Any of the people you are talking about could quit. They control their own lives and are responsible for them. Some theoretical equity in a company does not somehow hijack personal agency.

Re: Suicide of an Uber engineer: Widow blames job stress

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Atleast AFAIK in Bayarea, nobody cares as long as you have the skills. I have had the pleasure of working with some amazing engineers & team players who were let go in earlier jobs.

Twice there you have re-sealed the trap. Oops. As an indie developer doing one sort of 'dream job' (distributing exceptional software for free and moving towards open source, supported entirely by voluntary small contributions like some DSP Bernie) it's pretty easy for me to see the catch. You can do anything you want IF you 'have the skills' and are 'amazing'. If you're not sufficiently amazing, then you're fooling…

You have to have your own standards/narrative that you really believe in.

Or rather you have to shake off the years of schooling where you've been judged and accepted it.

Living below your means is a good ethic that allows you to battle idiot bosses.

Defiance of the lunacy in the workplace is key for mental health.

Re: Suicide of an Uber engineer: Widow blames job stress

#178

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Atleast AFAIK in Bayarea, nobody cares as long as you have the skills. I have had the pleasure of working with some amazing engineers & team players who were let go in earlier jobs.

Twice there you have re-sealed the trap. Oops. As an indie developer doing one sort of 'dream job' (distributing exceptional software for free and moving towards open source, supported entirely by voluntary small contributions like some DSP Bernie) it's pretty easy for me to see the catch. You can do anything you want IF you 'have the skills' and are 'amazing'. If you're not sufficiently amazing, then you're fooling…

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Re: Suicide of an Uber engineer: Widow blames job stress

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Sorry, but making a deal you later regret is not the same. You can negotiate a slightly higher salary and no options if you can't deal with the risk.

In the case of one friend, yes she made a deal. She didn't think the deal included constant harassment by colleagues. Life isn't black and white.

Your OP was specifically about being handcuffed to a job because of equity considerations. How it isn't so easy to quit, you see, because equity.

In the case of this 'one friend', she was not handcuffed to a job because of equity considerations. Therefore, no problem for her to quit.

Kind of works against your original point, not for it.

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