Man Fined $500 for Crime of Writing 'I Am an Engineer' in an Email to the Gov't

Post by objclxt » Tue, Apr 25, 2017, 10:17 PM UTC

djoldman wrote: post #84

JBReefer wrote: post #71

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Look, you're not wrong. But you have to remember that none of that matters, because I can put the following notice out, and any government prohibition of such is a big payday for me: "I, JB Reefer, am God, command you to stop driving. I am the king of all engineers, president of space, etc etc etc" and it doesn't matter. You really do get to say whatever the fuck you want in this country, as long as it doesn't cause…

Well, you can't yell fire in a movie theater unless there's a fire[0]. You can't assert that you are a doctor(lawyer) while giving medical(law) advice. There are good reasons for these laws. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_the...

Post by anigbrowl » Tue, Apr 25, 2017, 10:24 PM UTC

echion wrote: post #88

anigbrowl wrote: post #64

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But they don't. He's perfectly at liberty to do so, but not to assert professional standing which he lacks in order to make it seem more convincing. Did you read the Board's complaint? At first the asked the Board to investigate the city even though the Board had no jurisdiction to do so. they advised him of this and also cautioned him not to advertise himself as an engineer, in accordance with Oregon's code. He agre…

> He's perfectly at liberty to [share the information] No, he's not according to the violations cited in Final Order, page 6, section heading #14; in particular: By reviewing, critiquing, and altering an engineered ITE formula, and submitting the critique and calculations [...] to members of the public for consideration and modification of Beaverton, Oregon's and worldwide traffic signals, which signals are public eq…

Post by anigbrowl » Tue, Apr 25, 2017, 10:27 PM UTC

JBReefer wrote: post #71

anigbrowl wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they don't. He's perfectly at liberty to do so, but not to assert professional standing which he lacks in order to make it seem more convincing. Did you read the Board's complaint? At first the asked the Board to investigate the city even though the Board had no jurisdiction to do so. they advised him of this and also cautioned him not to advertise himself as an engineer, in accordance with Oregon's code. He agre…

Look, you're not wrong. But you have to remember that none of that matters, because I can put the following notice out, and any government prohibition of such is a big payday for me: "I, JB Reefer, am God, command you to stop driving. I am the king of all engineers, president of space, etc etc etc" and it doesn't matter. You really do get to say whatever the fuck you want in this country, as long as it doesn't cause…

Post by maker1138 » Tue, Apr 25, 2017, 10:28 PM UTC

Post by dragonwriter » Tue, Apr 25, 2017, 10:29 PM UTC

derefr wrote: post #83

bmh_ca wrote: post #16

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There are several facts that affect whether the consequence of claiming to have a professional qualification is regulatory or criminal (being two branches of "illegal"), including (but not limited to), in no particular order: 1. Who you send it to 2. The purpose of the communication 3. The consequences of the communication 4. Whether it is inter- or intra-state 5. What profession it is There are other questions that…

A more interesting question, to me: would it be more or less dangerous to create a fictional person, who "is" a lawyer—or a fictional LLP, run by such a person†—and then send a letter written "as" them, representing you? By sending such a letter, I'm not claiming to be a lawyer, right? But then, what am I doing? † The law was at least smart enough here to require a partnership structure. Imagine if your fictional law…