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Alphabet's Self-Driving Cars to Get Their First Real Riders

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Re: Alphabet's Self-Driving Cars to Get Their First Real Riders

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Post by bigato »

ohstopitu wrote: post #29
bigato wrote: post #20

I dream with the day that humans riding vehicles will be forbidden by law unless the driver would prove the need for human driving. So many deaths would be avoided.

have you thought the consequences of that? No I'm very serious: we are unable to protect smart TVs. Networked smart cars (because let's be real - Google and co. would want to monetize this with Uber-like services, Ads in cars etc.) are a magnitude more likely to be hacked by both the state actors and rogue individuals (altho I don't see why we make this distinction...both are criminal acts). The worst that can happen…

Well, nowadays someone can easily hijack a truck and drive it in a crowd of people. And maybe self-driving cars don't need to be connected to the internet?

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Post by QuercusMax »

bhhaskin wrote: post #15
ozpri wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Uber is ride sharing that is getting into self-driving vehicles, their money comes from the rides we take. Alphabet (Google) Is literally just testing and developing their own self-driving car technology. As far as we know they have no business model, yet.

Uber is also getting their pants sued off by Google for selling self driving car trade secrets. A suit that Uber is more than likely going to lose.

s/selling/stealing/ (or maybe buying?); Levandowski allegedly stole data when he left Google, and brought it to Otto, which is now owned by Uber.

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Post by Pigo »

After seeing the movie Logan, I was curious if the movie was taking a jab at the autonomous vehicle trend by portraying them as a danger to ma & pa drivers on the highway. It showed a crowded highway full of shipping containers pushing a truck hauling horses off the road. It seems the message was not that the technology can't be courteous, but that once it's accepted, corporations will abuse the roads to help their bottom line. It makes me wonder if that is a valid concern.

Re: Alphabet's Self-Driving Cars to Get Their First Real Riders

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Post by aianus »

pythonaut_16 wrote: post #21
KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #10

Is there really a race to build self-driving cars? It seems that Waymo is eons ahead of everyone else.

I have a lot of respect for Waymo's approach to this. While Tesla and Uber have both just recklessly (imo) jumped in and started setting loose self driving cars and making bold claims, Google/Waymo has really taken a slow and measured approach and given great care to making sure their cars are actually safe.

Killing a few extra people today to bring self driving cars to market faster could actually save more lives in total. I have much more respect for Tesla for shipping something.

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Post by gizmo385 »

monkmartinez wrote: post #28
AndrewDucker wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2017/3/20/cars-and-second...

I didn't read the entire piece... People think the autonomous car is going to solve a lot of the current problems; Accidents, Parking, Congestion. It kind of makes me giggle a bit, as I ponder what may happen. That is, the conclusions drawn from "self-driving" vehicles are possibly way over cooked. The certification process for these cars are going to be very, very expensive. Think about the software involved for the…

> What people on the coasts forget about is, really, the rest of the country. The people that actually enjoy driving, where parking isn't a problem

Doesn't something like 80% of the US live in urban areas? And hasn't that number been continuously increasing for decades. People in the cities enjoy driving too, hell I love driving when their isn't any traffic. But I'd give it up in a heartbeat if it meant less needless traffic deaths and a far more streamlined lifestyle.

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Post by TheAnimus »

csours wrote: post #24
josefresco wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's approach is cautious, however has Tesla been reckless?

By describing and marketing driver assistance technology as self-driving technology.

Which is kind of funny, because every pilot knows the limitation of each kind of autopilot. I think a lot of it is public expectation of that kind of name.

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Post by nashashmi »

pythonaut_16 wrote: post #21
KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #10

Is there really a race to build self-driving cars? It seems that Waymo is eons ahead of everyone else.

I have a lot of respect for Waymo's approach to this. While Tesla and Uber have both just recklessly (imo) jumped in and started setting loose self driving cars and making bold claims, Google/Waymo has really taken a slow and measured approach and given great care to making sure their cars are actually safe.

Uber and Tesla have had to play catch-up to Waymo. This kind of approach is reckless but also is run-before-crawl.

The outfall is that it led to bad PR for self-driving cars.

Re: Alphabet's Self-Driving Cars to Get Their First Real Riders

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Post by Pigo »

ohstopitu wrote: post #29
bigato wrote: post #20

I dream with the day that humans riding vehicles will be forbidden by law unless the driver would prove the need for human driving. So many deaths would be avoided.

have you thought the consequences of that? No I'm very serious: we are unable to protect smart TVs. Networked smart cars (because let's be real - Google and co. would want to monetize this with Uber-like services, Ads in cars etc.) are a magnitude more likely to be hacked by both the state actors and rogue individuals (altho I don't see why we make this distinction...both are criminal acts). The worst that can happen…

It sounds like a nightmare to me. God forbid I live in a state that won't allow me the enjoyment of safely operating a vehicle. Maybe they can choose what I'm allowed to eat as well. Please relieve me of all this self-reliance big brother...

Re: Alphabet's Self-Driving Cars to Get Their First Real Riders

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Post by differentView »

kyrra wrote: post #2

TLDR: * People can apply to use/borrow a Waymo vehicle (RX450 or Pacifica) for some period of time. * "as part of this early trial, there will be a test driver in each vehicle monitoring the rides at all times." * Limited to Phoenix metro area for the time being. * You apply here: https://waymo.com/apply/ * Waymo will be adding 500 more of the Pacifica minivans for this program.

>You apply here: https://waymo.com/apply/

I tried a bunch of zip codes in California, none are available. Phoenix, Arizona works though, I think they're still only testing there.

Re: Alphabet's Self-Driving Cars to Get Their First Real Riders

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Post by greglindahl »

maxfurman wrote: post #27
josefresco wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's approach is cautious, however has Tesla been reckless?

Arguably. Tesla has not done a good job educating their customers on the limits of their "Autopilot" system, which has led to at least one preventable death. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/28/tesla_autopilot_dea...

Where's the proof that it was a driver education problem? This argument gets rehashed every month or so here on HN.
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