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Alphabet's Self-Driving Cars to Get Their First Real Riders

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Google's approach is cautious, however has Tesla been reckless?

googles cars have gotten in a few fender benders and side swipes people have died using teslas autopilot

There was only one accident I'm aware of in which the Waymo vehicle was at fault; the vast majority have been humans doing stupid things like rear-ending them at stop lights and t-boning by running a red light.

(Disclaimer: I work for an Alphabet company.)

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I dream with the day that humans riding vehicles will be forbidden by law unless the driver would prove the need for human driving. So many deaths would be avoided.

Yeah, because computers never crash right? I think way too many people are viewing self driving vehicles with rose colored glasses. They underestimate the cost and overestimate the utility to the public.

I think his point is that they crash less than human drivers, especially when only a very small percentage of drivers on the road are human.

Other computers are more predictable to computers than humans are, especially with automatic communication of acceleration, lane changes, etc.

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My fear is MORE urban sprawl, which is even MORE miles of highways to pave and care for, and MORE pollution in the short term until we get very eco friendly powered electric cars. Commutes are one of the only things that seem to limit urban sprawl.

I prefer to state is as, more freedom to live where you want and how you want. still find it odd people complain about commute times by car when by rail/bus can be just as bad in many places. while many choose to live outside of cities many are forced to because of bad city planning, regulations, and other government practices, which only served to protect vested business and political interest. still I say though, y…

> still find it odd people complain about commute times by car when by rail/bus can be just as bad in many places.

I find both just as bad. I had a 1 hour commute by train in Chicago. Was terribad. Cannot even imagine the 90 or 120 minute commute guys.

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Transportation in general will become much cheaper. Because driverless cars will get into far fewer accidents than humans the cost of insuring them will be a fraction of what it costs to insure a human driver today. And when transportation gets cheaper basically every product that needs to be moved gets cheaper (assuming the companies using this technology don't just pocket the savings). Also, basically drivers of al…

How are you so sure driverless cars will get into less accidents? Furthermore, how is this technology going to be make everything less expensive. Please explain. For the record, I think this technology will make the prices for these vehicles prohibitively expensive for the mass market.

Well for one, you don't need to own your car. You just use it. If you (or anyone you know) owns a traditional automobile, it sits unused for 90% of its life. In a driveway, on the sidewalk, in a parking lot, etc. You pay for 100% of the car, but only use 10% of it. If you could rent it out to others ('the grid') while you're not using it, they would share some of the burden, lessening yours.

They make things safer because they don't drive drunk.

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I dream with the day that humans riding vehicles will be forbidden by law unless the driver would prove the need for human driving. So many deaths would be avoided.

Yeah, because computers never crash right? I think way too many people are viewing self driving vehicles with rose colored glasses. They underestimate the cost and overestimate the utility to the public.

So far the statistics are overwhelmingly in favour of computers doing less mistakes in traffic than humans. Furthermore, if we had mostly self-driving cars, bugs found could be easily deployed to all of the cars, fixing the problems once and for all. While human drivers require cultural changes to drive more safely, and that's way harder to deploy.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's approach is cautious, however has Tesla been reckless?

googles cars have gotten in a few fender benders and side swipes people have died using teslas autopilot

There's a lot more tesla cars than google cars. And I don't think there was a single death directly because of autopilot (not 100% sure though). Also, autopilot is safer, so it actually _saved_ lives.

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How will self-driving cars affect society? Trying to wrap my head around the bigger picture.

Transportation in general will become much cheaper. Because driverless cars will get into far fewer accidents than humans the cost of insuring them will be a fraction of what it costs to insure a human driver today. And when transportation gets cheaper basically every product that needs to be moved gets cheaper (assuming the companies using this technology don't just pocket the savings). Also, basically drivers of al…

> Transportation in general will become much cheaper. Because driverless cars will get into far fewer accidents than humans the cost of insuring them will be a fraction of what it costs to insure a human driver today.

Insurance is a small fraction of the cost of transport by car, so dropping the insurance cost by some fraction won't drop the total cost by that much.

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I dream with the day that humans riding vehicles will be forbidden by law unless the driver would prove the need for human driving. So many deaths would be avoided.

Yeah, because computers never crash right? I think way too many people are viewing self driving vehicles with rose colored glasses. They underestimate the cost and overestimate the utility to the public.

If a computer crashes, you can identify the software or hardware flaw that caused the crash and fix it once and for all.

Improving human driving skills collectively is much more difficult. Even if one driver learns from their own mistake, other drivers and the next generation of drivers will still be just as prone as before to make that mistake. Better education can only do so much anyway, since people often don't think rationally and don't necessarily make safety the number one priority (e.g. drunk driving, trying to get to the destination as quickly as possible, or reckless driving for entertainment purposes).

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I dream with the day that humans riding vehicles will be forbidden by law unless the driver would prove the need for human driving. So many deaths would be avoided.

have you thought the consequences of that? No I'm very serious: we are unable to protect smart TVs. Networked smart cars (because let's be real - Google and co. would want to monetize this with Uber-like services, Ads in cars etc.) are a magnitude more likely to be hacked by both the state actors and rogue individuals (altho I don't see why we make this distinction...both are criminal acts). The worst that can happen…

We are not "unable" to protect smart TVs. If anyone gave a shit those things would be locked down tighter than a bank vault, but we don't, so they aren't.

But, as evidenced by terrorism paranoia, people do care about their personal safety--perhaps excessively and irrationally so. Security in a networked self-driving car won't be treated as an afterthought, if nothing else because of the massive legal liability.

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